General British politics discussion thread

I haven’t seen that in any media or from politicians. I do agree )as we have seen on this thread) that anti semitism is being downplayed and normalized.

One of the final polls for the Scottish parliament elections has Starmers party in 4th place in the Scottish parliament with the SNP again dominating the parliament.

https://archive.is/Oq9bK

What wording would you use?

Without seeing the detail, yes

I struggle to understand how anyone can argue that the questions Polanski faces are a media originated witchhunt

Who made that argument?

Because it wasn't me.

My contribution to this particular tangent was this…

"That doesn't make the entire party a "party of poison" though, does it."

…in relation to the Daily Mail's ridiculous headline.

A mere four people (or 0.00181818182% of Green Party members) having allegations made against them does not mean that the entire party is a "party of poison". It means those four people may have some questions to answer and what the party does with them remains to be seen. Although they have already retracted support for Ion who was posting under the Anne Frank account. I expect her to see further consequences.

But, once again, actual evidence for this "antisemitism" is thin on the ground. The only thing I've seen is something from 2023 by Raja Ateeq who wrote on Facebook…

Ateeq is hardly covering himself in glory there, but it isn't indicative of either ongoing "antisemitism" on his behalf or and indication of a "Party of poison" in relation to the Green Party.

In addition, there have been two women arrested (one of whom has already been suspended from the party) for alleged antisemitic posts, but these posts are nowhere to be found so I can't comment on the veracity of the allegations.

Are there antisemites within the Green Party? More than likely yes. Just as there is in Labour, the Conservatives, the Lib Dems and Reform, etc.

Is it proof that the Green Party is a "Party of poison"?

Of course not.

Ateeq using the term "Jewish cockroaches" isn't evidence of anti-Semitism on his behalf?

ONGOING

Read the post instead of losing your shit.

I did.

No, you didn't.

I can't believe I used to think there wasn't that much anti-Semitism on the left.

Who says that this Ateeq guy is "on the left"? I don't really count Green Parties as being Left or Right.

The posts from the former candidates were quoted in yesterday's Guardian, and previously in the Telegraph, though TBF if you don't find Raja Ateeq's post antisemitic you're unlikely to have a problem with them.

…it was understood Ali, whose Instagram account is set to private, posted an image of an armed man wearing a headband of the proscribed Islamist militant group Hamas alongside the slogan “resistance is freedom”. Mairey shared the text “ramming a synagogue isn’t antisemitism, it’s revenge” on the platform, The Telegraph said.

Polanski criticised for reposting comment suggesting police arresting Golders Greens suspect used excessive force – as it happened | Politics | The Guardian

And no, of course they don't prove the Greens are 'a party of poison' but they're no more immune from scrutiny than any others. I only wish them well myself, if only because of the desperate need for some centre-left counterweight to Farage &c which is what the UK is facing if it's not damn careful. I myself regularly put up posts here about the social media adventures of various Reform candidates, and the above are as bad as any I've seen.

though TBF if you don't find Raja Ateeq's post antisemitic you're unlikely to have a problem with them.

I didn't say it wasn't antisemitic.

I said "it isn't indicative of either ongoing "antisemitism" on his behalf or and indication of a "Party of poison" in relation to the Green Party."

Ongoing being the operative word there.

There is a marked difference between an isolated remark from over two years ago, antisemitic or not, and a history of antisemitism on a person's behalf. If this Ateeq chap has demonstrable form, then chuck him I say. At the very least I would be having serious considerations about his continued membership within the party pending investigation if I was Polanski.

And no, of course they don't prove the Greens are 'a party of poison' but they're no more immune from scrutiny than any others.

Nobody even hinted that they were.

I only wish them well myself, if only because of the desperate need for some centre-left counterweight to Farage &c which is what the UK is facing if it's not damn careful.

I, personally, couldn't give a tinker's cuss about Green parties no matter where they're from. I find them too narrow to be a true, serious, option for running a country. Our own leaves a lot to be desired, frankly, and I was delighted to see them decimated at the last GE.

Also, as already stated, I don't see Green parties as being "left". They may be portrayed that way by certain elements on the right who wish to try and package environmental issues as being a lefty concern, but I know a number of Greens here that would give genuine conservatives cause to blush. I also know people who'd lean left that wouldn't even think of voting Green.

Anyway, I'm away for a pint and to talk to some real people.

I suggest everyone else do the same if you can.

Cherrio!

i guess he thought it would stop the antisemetic attacks on him.

sadly it's not.

He needs to learn quickly what happens when you acquiesce with zionists

The amount of vigilantes cheering this on on social media is shocking. Maybe 80-90% of UK commenters totally approve of the police actions. Seems they actively want to live in a police state (but just as long as the police are assaulting and dishing out hidings to the 'right' people one would assume).