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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,005 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    he's wasting his time meeting with the met commissioner, he's not going to get any sense out of that chap.
    20 times the failure of the last one and she should never have got the job really.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's disgusting to watch UK media apply the same strategy to targeting genuine Left wing political parties and individuals who have the potential to get in to positions where they can significantly influence the discussion of governance with this same old trick.

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    But can you blame them? It worked perfectly to weaken and remove Corbyn and has been used for years to shut down voices on all sorts of topics.

    The BBC ran a documentary on antisemitism within the Labour party under Corbyn and virtually all the people who spoke to highlight the issue were people with various roles (including PR responsibilities) in different Jewish orgnisations on the fringe of UK politics.

    The extent to which the term antisemitism has been hijacked and weaponised in recent years (everywhere from the media, the police, the halls of Westminster and beyond) will be studied in the future. It warrants a discussion on its own merits, but when it's considered in parallel with the actions of Israel and how the people supporting those actions demand no conflation between the two while the people carrying out the actions insist on it, and the media and the institutes of power try as much as they can to enforce the former and ignore the latter, then it almost deserves a select committee enquiry. If they could be trusted to act impartially that is.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Two Green candidates have been arrested for antisemitism. Another had a fake Anne Frank account where she engaged in antisemitism. Yes another has just surfaced who used the phrase "Jewish cockroaches". The latter two are still candidates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So you're saying that the Jews did it. You're not even pretending it was the Zionists anymore. It's baffling that you don't see the anti-Semitism in saying things like this.

    This is like when racists say that the word racism has lost all meaning, honestly.

    Yes, the media went after Corbyn but he was an abysmal politician who did his damndest to make it as easy as possible for them. Polanski is now engaged in the same thing and no doubt we'll be seeing more conspiracy drivel about that as well.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,011 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But the intriguing thing is that 'the Corbyn playbook' will simply not work this time. The Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph have a much smaller reach these days - everything is happening on social media (where the Telegraph and Mail readers won't even be found).

    Also, the establishment playing the Zionism / anti-Semitism card won't help Labour a jot and won't harm Polanski in the slightest. The Israeli state and Netanyahu are mostly hated in Britain in 2026 : Starmer and Labour won't gain a single extra vote in the local elections by bringing up the issue of anti-Semitism, they are clearly going to have a disastrous election.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Do you think a Green candidate posting about "Jewish cockroaches" is antisemitic or not? That person is, as things stand, still a candidate for the Greens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I can't think of a bigger waste of time and money than a conspiracy against Zack Polanski. He seems determined to trash himself the way he's going.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Randycove


    someone who straps home made explosives to their chest and detonates them on a tube train could probably be argued to have a mental illness, but that is irrelevant.
    the police declared it a terrorist incident as it gives them more power to search premises linked to the individual so that they can easily ascertain if this is a lone wolf attack, or if there is someone coordinating it and there is likely to be further attacks.
    once that has been done, then it is pretty irrelevant as the charge for attempted murder is the same if it is a terror attack or someone with mental illness running down the street stabbing random people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The press going in for the old bit of anti-semitism to smear Polanski.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,857 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Could probably say the same about Badenoch and Starmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,011 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Starmer and the media should have held off for much longer before linking this attack to anti-Semitism. One obvious line of enquiry on that day was this may have been a man with serious mental health issues and not 'a terrorist carrying out an anti-Semitic attack'.

    By that evening, the only narrative doing the rounds in the UK media was that this was a terrorist incident and a sign of the increase of anti-Semitism in Britain. There seems to have been a fair bit of racism too in the media's assumption that a black Muslim man could only be a terrorist and that there could be no other possible reason for him to attack people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,857 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The fact that terrorism seems to have been the correct call in no way excuses the irresponsible behaviour of politicians jumping the gun and releasing statements like that before the police.

    We have seen those same politicians and their supporters chastise this exact behaviour when it suits them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He travelled an hour across London and then promptly stabbed two outwardly clearly Jewish people.

    Him having mental health issues and the attack being antisemitic are not mutually exclusive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That doesn't make the entire party a "party of poison" though, does it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Then what's your bloody point?

    Podge replied to a post pointing out a Daily Mail headline stating that the Greens are a "Party of Poison", stating that "Two Green candidates have been arrested for antisemitism. Another had a fake Anne Frank account where she engaged in antisemitism. Yes another has just surfaced who used the phrase "Jewish cockroaches". The latter two are still candidates."

    That looks like tacit support for what the Mail is trying to paint the Greens as.

    If Podge himself wants to qualify his post, I'm all ears.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    And you are claiming it is all a strategy to undermine the Greens and a hijacking of the term antisemitism. You don't think that talking about "Jewish cockroaches" is antisemitic? Cause if you don't I would be curious to know what you think is.

    And yes, the party has spectacularly failed to address this increasingly rampant problem. While they have suspended two candidates, the deputy leader is pushing them to fight that suspension and disagrees with it, and two others are still candidates for election.

    And still people pretend it isn't an institutional problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm saying that three people being accused of posting antisemitic content doesn't mean that the entire party is a "Party of poison".

    Do you agree with the Daily Mail's portrayal of the Green Party?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You implied that the other poster supported the line when they gave no indication of that.

    That was "the bloody point". I thought it was obvious.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, the poster in question has been asked directly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,011 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We now know that he has a history of serious mental health problems and violence - previously stabbed a Muslim acquaintance of his and a police officer. Trying to attach political or racist motives to anything he has been doing seems a bit pointless. Will he even be mentally fit to stand trial?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Randycove


    the only bit of racism I can detect is from someone who will jump through all sorts of mental hoops to try and deny what was quite clearly another in an ongoing series of hate crimes against the Jewish community.
    For a third time, why are you so keen to downplay this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,011 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If it's the case that a mentally unwell man having a psychotic episode stabbed three people, then it cannot be classed as a "hate crime". Hate crime assumes that the perpetrator was of sound mind, knew exactly what they were doing and why they were doing it.

    It is going to be very embarrassing for Starmer and the British media if this guy is subsequently declared mentally unfit to stand trial. Incidentally, I would be saying all of the above if a Jewish man had randomly stabbed two Muslims….I'm sure there are mentally ill people in the Jewish community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Randycove


    no you wouldn’t. You have bent over backwards to deny anti semitism. Now you are claiming that this was effectively a random attack and it was a pure fluke that it was two people dressed in a way that easily identified them as Jewish that were stabbed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The attack in Golders Green was antisemitic, do you agree with the narrative from the media, non-Green party politicians and the police that this antisemitic attack was caused by marches opposed to what Israel are doing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Is it acceptable to conflate the actions of the Israeli regime with Jews?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No.

    And yet this is what an increasing number of the Green party candidates are doing.



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