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Liverpool FC - Talk /Gossip/Rumours 25/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    To be fair, the premier league has had a lot more than 20 managers this season 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭mormank


    Yeah cos he doesn't know how to manage a squad properly he wants the players to rest during matches 🙄 Oh good lord, now I've heard everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭mormank


    Oh will you stop!! Klopp walked into a team that could barely challenge for Europa league football never mind a title…that is why it took him years to produce a title winning side, not cos his style didn't work. His style worked excellently with what we had available at the time and he slowly progressed. Slot walked into a team capable off challenging for a title and has regressed with that squad. The comparison is very flawed at best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭mormank


    "In the right circumstances with the right players can deliver titles"

    Oh excellent, so all we need is for kloppo to come back and create another title winning team for Slot to then take over and only make worse at a rate that will allow him to win 1 title before his style of play, whatever the fcuk that is, gradually makes un unwatchable.

    You say you don't think posters are bending over backwards to defend Slot in the same post as you bend over backwards to defend him. I really wonder if people on here think before they post sometimes.

    I'm sorry but the Slot defenders on here are so delusional it's not even funny. The straw clutching is so cringe at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭mormank


    "He persisted with players in form"

    Sure ok, but he also persisted with tons of players out of form. Why would you leave that bit out? Surely not to just make your argument sound better? 🙄

    I don't even know if you're a Slot defender or not tbh but the gaslighting by Slot defenders in general is nauseating and embarrassing for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I had a look back at the 2015/2016 season, just to see how well Klopp did in his first year. He took the helm on October 8th with Liverpool 10th in the table. Brendan Rodgers PPG at that point was 1.5. Over the course of the next 8 months that rose to 1.56 PPG and Liverpool finished 8th. Now Klopp began the process of completely changing the mood of the club but the results didn't actually get any better.

    Over the course of the next 2/3 seasons, Alisson, Robertson, Van Dijk, Matip, Sadio Mane, Fabinho, Wijnaldum and Salah were recruited by the club to add to Henderson, Alexander Arnold, Gomez and Firminho who were already there. That is essentially the team that Klopp achieved success with. That was an elite level coach working alongside the best recruitment team in the league.

    That all broke down subsequently as Klopp took more control over transfers and Edwards left. Everyone of those players above will have left the club this year aside from Van Dijk and possibly Alisson. The process of building a new team has begun but it's not going as well as we would have liked.

    With Klopp there was belief from the beginning that he was the best coach we could have. That doesn't exist with Slot (despite the league title) so I can see the argument for changing. But unless we get the recruitment right, I don't think it will matter who is in charge.

    The last point I'd make is that our last 2 league titles have come on the back of summer's with very little squad change, with settled teams used to playing together. Even if we get the recruitment right this summer, it's still going to take time to gel the whole thing together.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


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    If you look back on our points totals in the league under Klopp (2015/2016 Rodgers managed the first 8 games), we had 3 exceptional seasons.

    In 2022/2023 we had a lot of the same issues we have now. Established players getting old/performing poorly.

    Since winning the league with Klopp we have been very up and down. It would be good to change that longer term but if it's the price you pay for success the so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,436 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Are you mental. The post you are quoting is a criticism of Slot. Not only that, but you seem to have invented a quote to take umbrage with. Go back and read my post again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,065 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    It's funny how different people can look at the same picture and draw different conclusions but I see three ridiculous record breaking points totals above 90, one incredible one above 80 and very strong mid 70.

    2 full seasons just shy of 70 the worst of it which is pretty good going.

    I think the perspective someone should take from that graphic is that those years were absolutely not normal and unlikely to be replicated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Untold UK lands on Netflix in May, with weekly drops of sports films featuring Liverpool’s Miracle of Istanbul (19 May)

    (Also Jamie Vardy and Vinnie Jones)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Sure we might end this season just shy of 70 points. Is that good going too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,436 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,407 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I hadn't appreciated until recent weeks how young Freddie Woodman is, just turned 29 in March

    If you would have told me a few months ago that the 3rd choice keeper who's never been off the bench that we signed from Preston was 33 or 34 I would have believed you because of our track record of having players like that (Manninger, Lonergan, Adrián etc)

    He only has 1 year left on his contract, I wonder if there's any plans to extend. Imagine it would be a low cost and easy thing to do for all parties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,171 ✭✭✭Bacchus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Libertine07


    According to some seemingly reliable Dutch sources, we're bringing in Reijnen as a coach next season. This is the guy Slot wanted two years ago but he couldn't get a work permit.

    Another clear sign that Slot is staying. We really are doing a Rodgers 2.0.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭redoctober


    This. The context of Klopp was that throughout most of his time we played great football and were a joy to watch. We had the chaotic high-scoring years before VVD and Alisson arrived. Then a more mature team which got to ridiculous levels. We then fell off a cliff in 2021 but there were huge injury issues. 23 we were also poor but the context is everything. An amazing time to be a fan. A team that was a joy to watch. The other elephant in the room is that we were competing in the CL as well. We reached 3 finals with Klopp. But for our goalie having a melt-down we might have got another CL in the cabinet in the first one. From 2017-18 to 2024 we were ridiculously good tbf with a couple of blips. That's pretty much 7 seasons. The shame is that we couldn't get over the line a bit more ahead of City. We should have banked at least one more title.

    Some of the best times of my life supporting Liverpool since 1986. To compare with what's been happening post 2024? …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    I don't think in game recovery is something to be scoffed at - it's a thing in any sport with high levels of exertion (swimming, athletics etc). I think it's pretty clear that you can't play a high intensity game all the time either so I am not making any outlandish statements around that either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Yeah, since Klopp left it's been awful. I mean we've only won 1 league title in that time!

    The "chaotic high scoring years" were fun but I remember thinking at the time this is going nowhere and having serious question marks about Klopp. We turned into a proper team after signing Van Dijk and Alisson.

    The "couple of blips" as you have framed it were pretty terrible seasons. As bad as this year really. But what Klopp did with that group of players in 2018 and 2019 was unbelievable. We were the best football team in the world at that point, the football was amazing and we won the 2 biggest prizes. I doubt we'll ever see that again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭redoctober


    Of course we won the title but it's a bit like comparing Arsenal if they win it this year with Wenger's team of Henry, Pires, Bergkamp. Last season felt like the last kick of Klopp's team. Slot gets all credit for getting them over the line but the excitement around the team and the joy of watching them has been on a one-way trajectory since Klopp left. If that changes next season, then I'm all for it but the evidence of the past two seasons suggests not.

    Also, I would suggest that many fans, myself included would have been happy just to have Klopp manage us regardless of the titles. The football was just great and it was a time of togetherness similar to what I suppose Shankly's time was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I'm not sure Klopp would be remembered quite so fondly if there had been no success. Shankly likewise. Winning football matches and titles tends to bring everyone together.

    On a personal level, I'm not that worried about style of play so long as its effective and successful. I might be on my own here but the PSG vs Bayern match a couple of days ago is not how I want to see my team play. A 2-0 win, with 0 XG for the opposition is my idea of football heaven!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,436 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I think you may well be on your own there.

    Most Liverpool fans as I understand them have an expectation the team will play attractive attacking football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I wouldn't be averse to 4-0 or 5-0. I just really like teams that can defend properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭redoctober


    @Appletart Upsetter Have to disagree on that one. i really want to see entertaining football. Yes the titles are great but to see us competitive and playing fantastic football with a wonderful manager at the helm. To me that's what separates liverpool from the rest. Shankly. Paisley. Kenny. Evans to a degree. Rafa to a degree. For a bit with kenny again. One season with Rodgers. And then Klopp. I'm pretty sure a lot of match going fans would agree. Last thing i would want is to be like the glory hunting fans who can talk all day long about the team and how many times they've won at haven't even been to a game. Epitome of modern fans sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    It was inevitable that the style was going to have to change for Slot because we were losing and aging out a lot of players, and bringing in younger greener talent. It's the opposite from Klopp, who was bringing in significantly better talent year on year, so it's always going to progress the team if you have a decent manager. For Slot the talent is already in the team, and he has to bring in effectively what has been weaker players than those they are replacing. For a few players though it is clear they have stepped backwards, Macca, and Gravenberch being the obvious examples.

    Overall I'm not a Slot defender as such, I'm more on the fence, however I am a FSG defender, and I trust their judgment, whatever they decide. If they stick with Slot, then I'm willing to hold my nose for the time being also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I know people blame Karius, and he wasn't probably capable enough for the CL final in general, but just to give some additional context Sergio Ramos (intentionally imo) broke Mo's arm and elbowed Karius in the head, gave him concussion, and effectively played a big part in both the final loss and the dissolution of Karius whole career. All with no punishment. I'm not saying we would have won necessarily, but we would have had a much stronger game if neither of those things happened, and in a final there's always a chance.

    For the majority of Klopps time, even the early days, it was exciting, and there was massive hope and expectation after years of mediocrity (13/14 aside) from very early on. I don't think that will be replicated any time soon, it's once in a generation stuff. We need to just accept that. Slot should be judged on two things, performance on the pitch, and performance in the league. He's doing poorly in the first, and not great/not terrible in the second, so perhaps someone else can do better simple as that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Ah man, this is class. On the Flat Iron pub (which I'm fairly sure is run by an Irish Dad and Son)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Salah has also asked for Henderson to get some sort of recognition on the last game of the season, as he never got one when he left the club like so many others did.

    Shows what kind of man he is.



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