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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,333 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    to be fair, dublin airport is not only a little bit closer to the city centre than prague airport is to prague, but dublin airport carries over twice as many passengers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Dublin has double the passenger numbers of Prague..you are a nit picking extraordinaire.

    Your mother should of thought you to compare yourself to the best not the worst.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭OisinCooke


    Jesus Christ lads, what is it with the level of personal insults and just general rudeness here lately???

    If you can’t back up your argument any better than to insult the person arguing against you, then your argument is not worth arguing for.

    We’re all grown ups here so maybe let’s discuss things respectfully and stop acting like cranky children…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Not “by far”: it won’t even be in the top three. Stephen’s Green, Glasnevin and Tara are expected to be the busiest stations. I also didn’t say the airport was irrelevant, only that it was not the major driver of the Metro route that people in the media seem to think it is.

    The Airport really is not an overwhelmingly large traffic generator in the broader scheme of things. If you view it as an airport link, Metro will really only serve people who are already in Dublin, near to a stop, and are going to and from DUB. That's not as large a number as one would think at first.

    The airport itself gets 73,000 daily passengers (that's 26 million per year, in and out). Let’s say a quarter of them are in the Metro catchment of 15 minutes walk to a stop, so that’s 18,000 passengers per day that could use metro. There’s a peak hours for people arriving to DUB for morning flights from 0500 to 0800, and for those leaving, it’s spread across the day. Let’s take the morning peak: 9,000 passengers in 3 hours, 3000 per hour. Metro running twelve trains per hour = 250 per train.

    So, if everyone going to/from DUB who lived within 15 minutes of a Metro stop used the service to go to the airport, it would barely half-fill the trains between 0500 and 0800. And remember that I’ve over-estimated every number here: that catchment figure is definitely too high to start, and then I assumed that everyone who could use it, would use it.

    73,000 per day in and out of DUB sounds like a big number, but only if you see it in isolation. It’s not really that much in the context of Dublin’s daily traffic. Every major approach road to Dublin except the M2 beats it easily, and large shopping centres such as Blanchardstown and Dundrum generate about 50% more traffic each than DUB (both of those average 50,000 visitors per day = 100,000 journeys, when counted the same way).



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Uh, I know, why doesn’t the airport have a heavy rail line! Why doesn’t Cork Airport have a Luas line. Why isn’t Shannon connected, etc.

    I agree with Kris, people over focus on connecting airports. It of course it is great if you can include one like DUB, while meeting more important goals like Swords, a win win, but airports in themselves aren’t necessarily the first priority.

    I feel like a lot of focus on the airport is actually driven by people who rarely take public transport. People who normally drive but don’t want to pay expensive parking fees and then whine that they have to take a bus!

    I think it is more important to focus on public transport that gets people to work/school 5 days a week, not someone for their trip to Spain once a year!

    Having said that there are of course people who work at the airport and the nearby business park, and there are plans to greatly increase the size of the business park, so that all definitely helps justify it.

    But really the primary reason is Swords, Dublin Airport is the cherry on top.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,178 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You're out by about 8m a year on the passenger figures (36m passengers minus ~2m connections). There are also thousands of staff between daa, the airlines, the hotels, ground handlers, caterers, cleaning contractors and the companies based at Dublin Airport Central.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭Thunder87


    We should probably move to the metrolink thread!

    I can't remember where exactly I've seen the projected usage but a quick scan through the planning files there's this from the initial business case (page 69).

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    And this from the Jacobs report (page 25)

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    The airport handled 36 million passengers last year (probably close to 40m this year but for the war), is likely the busiest bus station in the country with direct connections to every corner of the island (which in itself opens up lots of opportunities for creating a proper integrated transport hub) and the wider campus is also presumably amongst the biggest employment hubs in the city so, to my eyes at least, it's without a doubt amongst the primary justifications of the metro



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    @Thunder87 I do take your point on the numbers, but I think they oversold it a touch. The figures for the stations north of DUB go a long way to explaining why it’s so high.. There’s about 19,000 people working at Dublin Airport according to Daa, and lots of them live around Swords. It’s the continuation out to Swords that makes the Airport station viable.

    Best to move this to the MetroLink thread, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    It's an interest stat. The most fascinating thing for me is how useless Stephen's Green stop will be relative to the other trip generators. It really calls into question the poor location of that stop vis-a-vis Metro North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    https://x.com/giveashitnature/status/2049745570022166759?s=46&t=4UVk0HSHSZ5vDu4r8jnEVw


    Can these do something re the power deficit for the Luas extension?

    Can this be done on part of the metro or IR’s network?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,178 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It wouldn't address grid issues

    There isn't really any space between tracks here. Building/ depot roofs should be plastered in panels, everywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭DoctorPan


    It's not even done in the example they cited as it turned out to be a dud 'gagetbann' as the passing vehicles ended up damaging them and it interferred with track inspections and maintainence!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    just read the replies to the tweet, tells you all you need to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 transfer90


    https://extra.ie/2026/06/22/news/finglas-luas-line



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 transfer90


    The Government is to fast-track the extension of the Luas network to Finglas.

    Under the revised plan for the project, construction is due to start in 2028 rather than in the 2030s, Minister for Transport Darragh O’Brien has said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,178 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Realistically impossible unless they have the tender docs prepared quietly already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Consonata


    Unless they plan on this being a test case for the Critical Infra Bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,178 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    This has planning approval so that hurdle is passed. That bill doesn't improve tendering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,599 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Yes this can safely be filed under 'things that wont happen'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Qaanaaq




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,599 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Theyre now also saying that the western rail corridor will be reopened by 2031, which is even deeper in the 'things that won't happen' filing cabinet. Must be some political struggle going on 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭Thunder87


    It's Darragh O'Brien lads... Surely people know what he's like by now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,178 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Its FF ministers giving other FFers stuff to boast about to their constituents.



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