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Would you visit USA in the current climate?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    but it always puzzled me why considering the vast distances they never invested in high speed passenger rail.

    The auto industry actively killed it. Post WWII, while other countries were investing in their public transport systems, America invested in roads and cars. It's pretty much the same today. All stems back to Charles Wilson, GM and the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭yagan


    Speaking of world cup the financial times has a piece today about hotels in the US venue cities dropping their price by a third as bookings are slack.

    It didn't mention bookings for the Canadian and Mexican venues, so hard to draw conclusions other than they maybe pitched initial prices too high.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,874 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Distance is also an issue.

    The next town of any size at all West of me is El Paso, pop 680k. Unless you count Fort Stockton, pop 8,500. Here to El Paso is about 900km. That’s a multi-hour trip even on TGV, and a really, really long stretch of rail which simply doesn’t have enough people going that way to make it remotely economically viable in terms of passengers per km per year. Or I can hop an airplane, which is another mode of transport the US decided to embrace.

    Amtrak is an 11-hour jaunt, but extremely comfortable seats and at $120 or so is about the same price as the much shorter LNER London to Edinburgh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭yagan


    Interesting, long term trend is more west > east.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    My wife is American but doesn’t have the stereotypical ear-piercing accent. She even gets driven mad when hearing that. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 FruitSaladGuy


    We are headed over in a few weeks New Orleans and then up to New York to stay with friends. We are taking in a world cup game also at Met Life stadium Brazil v Morocco. Lived in NY in the 1990's for a few years and love going back to visit the political state of affairs isn't an issue for me whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Good for you!

    Anyone that exposes you to their vocal fry is hard to bear on a good day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,697 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Infused with French Canadian joie de vivre is the reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,697 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    And lots of Irish. And Caribbean. And African. And Spanish. And Italian.

    Also one of the few places in America you can booze on the streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Post Trump I have every intention of visiting tbh. I have a largely American family but haven't been there since my teens and probably should have tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭yagan


    According to that graph I posted hereditary passports were still only one fifth of the total, or depending on how the graph was made that 20K may be separate to and not part of the 100K who qualified.

    Italy had been one of the easier passports to procure via bloodline but that changed last year to be more like ours in that it stops at a UK/Irish grandparent born on the island.

    I would imagine we're mostly getting motivated individuals, including a relative who made sure that her grandson got his Irish passport so she'd bring him back to Ireland if Trump brought in the draft again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 FruitSaladGuy


    Never been despite living in the states for 7 years in the 90's so very much looking forward to it. America in general is amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Lot's of tourists are thinking that, - however I don't know if things really get better. Everyone is hoping. At least in the ROI one has US-pre-clearance immigration and that eases things a lot.

    Trump or not, political polarizing views and issues will probably remain. It's more a dis-united states these days but as a tourist it's easier to stay out of these issues.

    Food and travel would still be awesome there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ya, the odds favor me having to go for at least one funeral in next two years realistically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭yagan


    When was the last time you were there? All my US relatives are citing massive price increases in everything, and now driving has gotten expensive too which is hard to avoid as a tourist considering outside of NY/Boston how little good public transport options there are.

    One told me recently that her full cover car insurance on a Corolla in Florida is now around $300 a month!!! I think my last fully comp renewal was around €500/$580 for the year and I was lazy in not having shopped around!

    I'd make sure to fully price in rental car insurance if I were heading over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Yes, indeed; one of the many forms of "Open carry" happening there…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,697 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    A buddy and his girlfriend were in NO in the early eighties, and as he went to get milk and cigarettes at a corner store. (what's a corner store? [google ™rump speech])

    He passed a used bookstore and saw a guy get shot and killed through the doorway on the sidewalk. Turns out the owner was handicapped, and had been held up the previous day and decided to shoot the guy who was robbing him again, not… lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭yagan


    That pic reminds me a lot of the red/white/blue paraphernalia all around the glorious 12th, although it's calmed down a lot since the garvaghy road standoff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Icsics


    everything in the us has increased in price. Prob the most annoying is the price gouging ‘tourist tax’ on hotel stays, ‘resort fees’ & €25 a night parking….none of which existed 5 years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I haven't been there ever since the pandemic and I don't think I'd ever be going there in the near future. There are too strong differences of opinion around Trump, and if too costly it wouldn't interest me anyway. This is regardless if Ireland offers immigration pre-clearance. I don't fancy a police style interview and suggestive accusations of wanting to work there illegally.

    If North America, I'd rather fly to Canada. Also more personal reasons to travel to Canada. Apart from that, lot's of other countries to visit.

    Renting a car has gotten endlessly expensive also in Canada. Used to get deals for $25 per day for two weeks, back in the days, insurance on top it has to be said…. But that was quite some time ago.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    There isn't really much statistical evidence that Irish people decide whether or not to visit the US based on agreeing or disagreeing with its politics. There was still high demand for the J1 visa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    what statistical studies would reveal this fact?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭yagan


    I thought j1 applications have been trending downward for years.

    A quick googling find me a Journal.ie piece from right before the pandemic that stated

    Since 2013, when over 8,000 students travelled to the US for summer work under the J1 programme, the number of participants have dropped to 3,392 in 2019 – a decline of nearly 60%. 

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd say the existence of reverse migration is a sign that politics is very much so at play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    No



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    In Shakespeares "The Merchant of Venice", someone says to Shylock, or Shylock says (I dont remember which):}

    "I will buy with you sell with you talk with you, walk with you, and so following, but I will not eat with you, drink with you, or pray with you". (I remember it from school, even though I haven't read it for 30 years).

    I think most people see trade and travel for business in those terms. Myself I would like to be more idealistic, but when American monopolies control social media and Big Tech, its hard in practice to boycott it. But tourism is easier to boycott. I have never been to the United States.

    I have always despised the Religious Right of the Republican Party. I remember how they went after Bill Clinton for accusations they now defend Donald Trump from with other women.

    But I also remember the hypocrisy on the Left of those who defended Bill Clinton, but now say what Trump was accused of by women is disqualifying.

    Those two positions are not consistent. But if I were an American I would vote Democrat until the Republican party becomes a moderate party like it used to be before the 1992 "Culture Wars" Republican Convention, when Pat Buchanan made that notorious speech.

    I think though that while both criticised immigration, Trump is more fixated with it, while Buchanan was more concerned with abortion, LGBT, opposition to secularisation of institutions and the "culture war" between traditionalists and liberals.

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