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2025-26 UEFA Champions League - See Mod Note Post 1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Why would that make you dislike the team?

    Who's online fans are not insufferable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭TerrieBootson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭bdmc16


    Even though we support different teams, you are hitting the nail on the head. Arsenal fans won't like it but I've never seen a season where Prem rivals are all so universally in agreement how insufferable they are . Last season and this season have being ridiculous so you are spot on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭McFly85


    The ref and VAR got it correct and it’s hilarious to see people essentially agree it’s not a penalty but argue that the ref should give it anyway.

    Clear and obvious is horrible phrasing because it suggests calls that everyone can agree on but that will essentially never happen. The officials reviewed it, found enough to review and overturn it, and ended up with the correct call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    wtf is this garbage?

    Every single Arsenal fan I know has been crapping it for the last 4 months and I think the Arsenal chat bears this out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    It’s nice, but it’s nothing to be jealous of. If you win it then fair enough. You think Liverpool fans are genuinely jealous of you? I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The point is no United fan would want their local rivals parading the cup through Manchester.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think it's well proven in football that there is nothing ever clear and no one can decide what's obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭McFly85


    That’s simply not true. I think the majority of overturns are obvious. Liverpool had a penalty awarded incorrectly against palace at the weekend which everyone could see was wrongly called and it was quickly overturned, for example.

    There are always going to be decisions that people disagree with though. Ones that one person see as a foul and another sees as not much in it. And that’s going to be true for referees. Expecting VAR to remove all refereeing controversy is unrealistic because ultimately it’s still humans making the call. It does get a lot more big decisions right though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    They absolutely are.

    They're in big trouble and they know it.

    They're basically where Arsenal were before Arteta.

    They should just pray they get a manager as good as him in so they can challenge again.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Nonsense.

    If definitely was a penalty.

    And if it was 'clear and obvious' the ref would have looked at it once and overturned it. Instead he watched it back what 10 times then decided.

    He knew it was a penalty he just bottled the call.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭McFly85


    So he gave the penalty, reviewed the footage multiple times, and still knew it was a penalty but bottled it by overturning his original decision?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Yep.

    The new golden rule is VAR is always correct, even when it's blatantly wrong.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭cgorzy


    I think it is only the VAR that decides if they consider it an obvious error requiring a review. The referee just decides on review if they think it is a penalty with all the knowledge of seeing it and seeing the replays. Ref might want to see multiple replays after that as they are not deciding if they made a clear and obvious error, they are deciding if it should be a penalty.

    Post edited by cgorzy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Never a penalty.


    This is the sort of comment that could come back to haunt you. Atletico’s players wouldn’t be behind the door trying to con a penalty out of the ref like Eze did. Good to see VAR used properly in that instance and the con didn’t work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Not sure how you can make an absolute statement on it.

    I saw 3 former English premier league referees today on video stating it was a penalty or wasnt enough for VAR to overturn.

    Player himself even admitted he caught Eze with studs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,340 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I think this is another example of how hard it is to ref the game.

    When it was just refs making calls, we all had different opinions come the highlights and replays.

    Now VAR has arrived and we still argue over what is what. Just shows it's all down to opinion. Even when we have every split second of the action in super slow motion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Yes really important point. you can "forgive" a ref for getting it wrong in the moment but if he then sees what you dont watching a few replays then its "unforgiveable"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Eze got caught out. It’s the old I’ve seen them given. However and I’m not blaming Eze in particular he’s just doing what has become the done thing over the years which is when there’s contact you go over.


    Eze feels the contact, moves his foot away and then throws himself to the floor. The contact was minimal and not enough on its own to knock him over.

    Now consistency is important but if they are now using VAR to change that culture of always throwing yourself to the floor if there’s any contact at all, then that’s a good thing.

    Your EPL refs on a marginal call like this are going to be on the side of the English team for Sky Sports. Irrelevant.

    There was contact but that wasn’t what caused him to fall over. He moved away his foot and then dived. He dived. No penalty. Good call.

    Hopefully a sign of VAR being used to eradicate that diving culture out of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Ah right so… TheCitizen is telling it like it is but 3 professional refs are making it up because they are English 👍️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Refs play the media game same as anyone else. I didn’t put it the way you did, I said on balance on a marginal call that could be argued either way they’ll be as politically expedient as anyone.


    I think what you might be seeing is the beginning of an effort to eradicate or to at least minimise that culture that lead to players in recent decades going over in the box when an opponent merely touches them. I think it’s a good thing and if it was an Atletico decision overturned in similar circumstances they’d be no complaining and your 3 EPL refs would be politically expedient on the other side of the argument. 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    it was more a dive than penalty. Eze should have been booked. There was close to no contact and in no way were there the levels of contact to justify Eze’s theatrics. It’s just another reason, in a long long list, as to why this Arsenal team is so dislikable. Always diving and cheating and then going crazy at the ref and complaining in interviews and social media. Disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Damien360


    don’t think it matters if it was a peno or not at this stage. I think Arsenal will win the home game. They were the better team last night also. Can’t see them beating PSG or Bayern though in a final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Get into the final and anything can happen. PSG and Bayern do leave space when they attack. It's not that crazy that Arsenal's style gets them the win.

    CL finals are rarely one sided even if one side is clearly better.

    That said, it would probably be better for football to see the style that PSG and Bayern play pay off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    Yeah VAR is only supposed to intervene over a clear and obvious error. Which if you have to look at something 10 times before making a decision, well means its not clear and obvious.

    As Ally Mccoist said on commentary, if that happened the other end of the pitch, the decision would have stood. Simeone influential there and tbh fairplay to him, as it worked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭jacool


    Anything can happen in a final, yes, but although Tuesday night's opponents will leave gaps, can you see Arsenal flying up the pitch to take advantage of these gaps? I think that both ties are very finely balanced and could go either way. The bookies disagree.

    Odds to reach the final: 2/5 Arsenal, 17/20 PSG, 19/20 Bayern München, 12/5 Atletico Madrid.

    To actually win: 2/1 Bayern München, 23/10 PSG, 12/5 Arsenal, 10/1 Atletico Madrid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I defo think Arsenal are too short.

    4/6 seems about right to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    After being in charge for 6+ years winning 1 FA Cup and spending a lot of money, I doubt he would still be in charge at Liverpool. Slot with one league title in 2 seasons is not guaranteed another season and his contract has not been extended yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,217 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Whatever one thinks of Arsenal stylistically, I think you'd struggle to find any but the most biased of people who didn't agree that the team has improved from a results perspective under Arteta. I think you'd find far fewer who'd say the same about Slot just because he won a league with Klopp's leftover team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Arteta has won one FA cup and nothing else in his long 6/7 year tenure. Now a dominant City didn't help along with a dominant Liverpool. Arsenal since the Wenger days have always been near the top and Arteta is no different. Big club, big stadium should be at the meaty end of the PL, and they always are. This year is an improvement but he still hasn't won. Down to 2 cup possibilities left out of 4.

    I'm a Liverpool fan and I'm not fan of Slot at all. I have wanted him gone a long time but yes he won with Klopp's team last year. But he can still claim a title.



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