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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    The last 15 minutes of the first game were absolutely electric, coming from 7 down to draw it.

    One of my best days out in Croke Park.

    God be with the days when Mayo were true contenders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I too would have been skeptical about him and his ability to be objective about his former teammates and friends, not to mention his inexperience. He didn't exactly set the world alight with Leitrim. That said, the current group of players have plenty of shortcomings that I think even Jim Gavin would struggle to get them beyond a QF (and that's probably being generous).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Just on the makeup of the team and the idea that Moran is being too loyal to his old friends, which is a valid criticism I'll admit.

    But I can see a day in the not too distant future where Mayo fans will be wishing that Aiden O' Shea was still on the field, getting stuck in, getting the hard work done.

    Whatever about Hennely or Cillian, O' Shea will be valuable until the day he can't walk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭muddle84


    I for one definitely wish we still had Cillian O'Connor from 2016, not 2026. He's past it is the point everyone is making.

    Aidan's best years are behind him, well behind him! He doesn't fit in the same bucket as Cillian imo, but if push came to shove, I'd take Aidan from 2014/2015, not 2026. I actually would have started Cillian ahead of him at the weekend if I had to pick between them. Aidan is not a scoring threat, he's not a running threat, he's good for a tackle if the opposition get close enough to him.

    You're missing the point people are making on these players. The fact that Cillian is the all time top scorer for championship and that he was our best ever forward doesn't mean he still is.

    Hennelly was never the answer sadly, I was waiting for those old shortcomings to reappear and they did sadly. I was hoping I would be wrong about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Edit: Duplicate post



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yes the players are no world beaters but they are certainly good enough to put up a better fight against that Roscommon team. Sloppy passes and little intensity in tackling is a big indictment of players and management. Andy gives the impression of being everyone's best friend but that may lead to player complacency. I wonder what the fierce warrior Colm Boyle thought of it all. Any self respecting management would read the riot act to the squad afterwards and drop at least 4 players for the next game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Talk about who's in / out and what position different players are in is perfectly valid but none of it explains the lack of fight in the team, Roscommon came to the game ravenous while we looked like we had been on the beer all week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭SeanJ09


    Nonsense. Mayo fans might yearn for the day of the 2011-2017 versions of both players to be in the team, but let's be honest, both players are a million miles from that now.

    This might seem incredibly harsh but I remember watching COC against Kerry in a qf in 2022 thinking he should be finished then at inter count level and AOS in a semi final against the dubs in 2021- it's now 2026 and I don't think what I have seen since from both players have contradicted that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    People love to point out that AOS was finished in 2021 and his withdrawal in the SF which Mayo went on to win was a testament to that.

    But that's an oversimplification, a lot of things worked out in that game, Hession on the wing and Henelly getting another crack at that free.

    If you look at AOS in 2025 he did a Trojan amount of work, getting on ball, tracking back.

    He was one of the busiest guys on the field.

    I've not seen much of him in 2026 but it will turn out like Robbie Keane and the Irish soccer team.

    We were forever being told that Robbie was over the hill and a passenger, then when he did retire and the goals dried up everyone was wondering why the goals dried up.

    It will be the same with Mayo and SOS. When he's not there people will miss his work rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭SeanJ09


    I'm not questioning his work rate. I'm saying mother time has caught with him (and probably had a few years ago). 'Work rate' alone doesn't cut it at full forward, especially with the new rules.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭naughto


    I think it says it all that they could have played Livingstone for the mayo London game as hennelly sister got married on the Fri yet there he was on the plane an on the pitch for the game.

    Like surly to God they should have told him to stay with his family an let Livingstone take his place in goal it was London after all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    ROD pretty much nails it here in a couple of sentences:

    "A lot of the momentum now is on kick-outs and we lost that battle on Sunday and we didn't change it quick enough. It's not luck that you keep losing that and we got destroyed on it on Sunday, which is very disappointing.

    "We never got to the pitch of it and 50-50 battle, that's the nuts and bolts of the game."

    O'Donoghue: Mayo fans fully on board despite Rossies loss



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    U20s out tonight in the Connacht final, live on TG4 on youtube:

    GAA Beo | Maigh Eo v Ros Comáin

    1. Conor Meaney – Westport
    2. James Lavelle – Belmullet
    3. Tom Lambert – Westport
    4. Aaron Coggins – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
    5. Colm Lynch(C) – Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin
    6. Rio Mortimer – Claremorris
    7. Josh Moyles – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
    8. Darragh Staunton – Knockmore
    9. Joey Holmes – Westport
    10. Andrew Quinn – Mayo Gaels
    11. Kobe McDonald – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
    12. Dylan Flynn – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
    13. Darragh Beirne – Claremorris
    14. Oisín Deane – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
    15. Tom Lydon – The Neale

    16. Conor Bohan – Ardnaree Sarsfields
    17. Yousif Coghill – Breaffy
    18. Dara Neary – Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin
    19. Thomas Tuffy – Swinford
    20. Mark Noonan – Claremorris
    21. Conor Jordan – Ballina Stephenites
    22. Ben Holmes – Westport
    23. Cian Walsh – Castlebar Mitchels
    24. Josh Carey – Kiltane

    Extended Panel
    Ben Joyce – Castlebar Mitchels, Ben Thornton – Ballina Stephenites, Cathair Tighe – Ardnaree Sarsfields, Craig Cassidy – Claremorris, Dáithí Butler – The Neale, Eoin McGreal – Garrymore, Sean Walsh – Killala, Senan Guilfoyle – Eastern Gaels, Tiernan Egan – Hollymount/Carramore, Seán Og McGuinness – Crossmolina Deel Rovers, Nathan Roddy – Ardnaree Sarsfields, Shane Cunningham – Castlebar Mitchels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Have only been watching since ht but good game so far. Mayo 1 up at ht in et



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Well that was another enjoyable outing againt the Rossies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Never nice to lose but it was entertaining at least. From what I saw, we were out muscled around the middle. It's hard to win when you concede 5 goals though.

    Are there QFs at U20 level?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭Jizique




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭spakman


    He looked short of confidence I thought this eve.

    I dunno, I think the belief in Mayo teams seems to be very low. Ros, like their seniors, were ravenous for the ball. They made plenty of mistakes as did we, but they just seemed to have more drive. I don't know what it is, but we'd need to get a handle on it fairly quick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I was at the game. Yes, Roscommon were more assured and played with more intent. Mayo football is in a precarious state now with very few underage titles in the last 10 years. The new CEO will have to hit the ground running or we could be in the doldrums a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Mayo football is not in a good place right now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭maximus15


    He is a young player who had a great league for seniors and had to sit on the bench Sunday and see players come on ahead of him , who were not worth minutes ahead of him , that couldn't help confidence . Kobe been left on for 70 mins when game was already lost , looked bad decision moreso now , as he was out on his feet by end of normal time tonight .

    These small things matter and need to be thought out better by senior management , when expect them to play at 2 levels with 3 day break between games . Same crap against kerry when kobe should have been taken off when knew we were well beat by 50 mins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    I didn't see the game but maybe we have a problem picking the correct players from the panel and who should be starting. I am not surprised they conceded five goals because of this imo, but because we have loads of talent up front, I did think they would win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    I thought the CEO job was the business side of things not the coaching setup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭Westernview


    He is also responsible for developing the centre of excellence and strategic planning. This will have a big impact on funding for more coaches and facilities. A strategic plan will have to incorporate resources needed for a coaching officer, player development and how it is most effectively spent. With the debt of MacHale park already hanging over the board decisions will have to be made on the tradeoffs in pumping money into Bohola at the possible price of less money for resourcing coaching. So his influence will permeate throughout the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭naughto


    No point having great facilities an no team to play on them,the Bohola project is going to be some money pit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭thesultan


    the contrast in Roscommon is stark . big players dropped .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭Westernview


    It is yes. No player should be relying on past performances.

    One thing that's very apparent after the last week is that for all the worthy debates we have here on who makes team sheets and what tactics management employ the most serious issue we have is standards in our underage coaching system. I think it may be time to cut out foreign training camps and some backroom elements in the senior set up and divert more money to underage. Unless the CEO can generate enough extra revenue to cover both demands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Absolutely, I mentioned this last week on the underage development, it is not taken on properly and regional setups need to be held on for longer and further up the grades. Some people think we are doing regional setups at underage level but we are not really doing it at a level that bring the benefits to the county and club. It maybe goes on for six weeks or so, they pick a panel and the regional set up is gone and all these lads who didn't make it but are decent footballers go back to playing club football. The money could go towards running these regional setups for longer, building in proper strength and condition, educating these players. It could be something so basic as once a week meetup on a saturday, each region play each other over the period and the winners play the county team, link in with out counties etc. It keeps a big bunch of players close to the set up and can be constantly monitored, playing at a very good level.

    We also need to be more strategic on who is managing our underage teams. There are too many rookies and past players with no experience or lack of proper experience getting these managers jobs. Managment is a different beast to playing and it needs to stop. There has to be good club managers out there at the grades rather than rookie ex players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    I agree on the managers but not completely on the players - I think the CB should be engaging more with the clubs and getting coaches out to the clubs to guide the underage coaches, talk to the players & coaches about S&C, etc. That would help improve the overall standards at club level which will feed through to the development squads (I wouldn't be against improving how these are run also but I think the process needs to start at the club)

    Edit: Getting out to meet the club coaches would also allow the CB coaches to identify who has the interest / ability to coach at a higher level and maybe bring some of those onboard



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    I am only putting out ideas and your approach is valid and at least it is proactive in this space. While the club approach is generally good, it does mean the clubs need to buy into it and implement it. I would worry that the better players at each club are not playing at a decent level for a sustained period through the club. Some clubs play down the grade just so that they can win a county title. I do think it needs to be properly run by Mayo GAA and monitored whatever they decide to do or not do

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