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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "But you would think that the Union would have pointed out the disparities between the top earners and normal workers."

    That could raise questions about security of employment for their members if they want to compare themselves to contracted 'stars'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It's not a financial issue. It's related to the wider issue that came out of the financial crisis around staff and presenters doing nixers and potential conflicts of interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Or it could lead people to notice that even the "stars" are fairly secure in the jobs.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Are they the same stars who were going to he snapped up by the BBC and other UK and US broadcasters if they weren’t paid more per capita than those countries’ top broadcasting earners? Didn’t really work out like that for The Toyman did it?

    Can you name even one RTÉ “talent” who was put “out on their ear” by management? I seem to have missed that if such a thing happened.

    As for “without redundancy packages” you do understand how contracted working arrangement operate, don’t you? Or perhaps you don’t?

    You may also be aware the RTÉ is moving towards a staff (rather than contracted) arrangement for their recent on-air hires, with Kieran Cuddihy being an example of same.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Can you name even one RTÉ “talent” who was put “out on their ear” by management? I seem to have missed that if such a thing happened.

    Ryan Tubridy, Ray Darcy, that's two.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Oh you mean the same Ryan Tubridy who was involved in a dodgy payments scheme concocted by him, his agent, and the it seems now permanently ill Dee Forbes that the wider Executive were not aware of and that led to multiple resignations incl. of the Chair of the Board and a national controversy that still hovers over the broadcaster almost 3 years later and that required a govt, bailout of over €700million to keep the lights on? That Ryan Tubridy?

    Ryan himself has called it all a blessing in disguise and you yourself have frequently told us all about his successful he is in the UK now (and on LMFM too I believe) so it’s all worked out deliciously for him…..others not so much. The BBC never did come knocking for him though, did they? Intriguing.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Some of RTE's "talent" salaries were bigger than those paid by the BBC to many of their household names. There's also the question as to why RTE didnt poach some of tbe better BBC talent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well that’s your opinion but if you’re so knowledgeable about the inner workings of RTE why ask a question when you’re a know it all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Less of the personal abuse please.

    Opinion? Was there anything in my post that isn’t factual?

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    SIPTU and the other unions can talk all they like about salaries for executives and earnings of presenters but as at the BBC (used in the OP as a comparison) there will continue to be redundancies and cut backs at RTE.

    Truth is investigative reporting and real news is under attack from unfriendly interests worldwide. If RTE wants to save money by outsourcing entertainment content, 'reality TV' and the like I think it's in the wider public interest to do so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    How? RTÉ still have a remit for these shows. RTÉ news and current affair isn't getting extra money for its output under this strategy. Even if RTÉ get more funding the % going to News and Current Affairs won't change.

    Your theory would suggest that RTÉ should outsource sports also, which they have no plans to do.

    As I pointed out RTÉ last year cut their main Audience Current Affairs show, there is no public debate on RTÉ TV, while in the past they have cut news on both RTÉ2 and 2FM, with no real increase in RTÉ output online.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I personally don't care who makes RTE content that's 'reality' or celeb focussed, if they save money by outsourcing it then it's fine by me. Hopefully any money saved will go towards RTE's core remit in news, documentaries and drama, to at least relieve financial pressure if not increase spending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    They could save a small fortune by cutting ties with the celebrity “talent” from a certain agency, most of whom are presenting or headlining radio shows that decline in audience numbers JNLR after JNLR on a failing station even with Dan Healy’s “creative” schedule juggling.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It's not just reality or celeb focused, there is a place for that, but you also have to have a mix of programming, such as quiz shows, game shows, children's content, comedy, drama, documentary, arts and so on.

    RTÉ currently have a minimum of €44m or so to spend on Independent producers, this will increase due in part to increased funding but also due government pressure following the bailout (you seem to think that RTÉ is doing this out of their own volition, its mainly been forced upon them because the scandal which was revealed in 2023).

    Indeed comedy programming can allow for good quality political satire which can help with mis-information and grab younger viewers attentions.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    What comedy is there apart from Callan's Kicks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Considering no-one has seen neither sight nor sound of D4bes in about 3 years, is it maybe time to change the thread title?

    It's not just reality or celeb focused, there is a place for that, but you also have to have a mix of programming, such as quiz shows, game shows, children's content, comedy, drama, documentary, arts and so on.

    I agree with you, but looking at the schedule for RTE today and the comedies are: Only Fools and Horses, and Derry Girls. RTE 2 seems to be kids shows from 9am until 7pm. The only dramas I'm seeing is NCIS at 23:55 and Red Eye on Rte 1.

    I'm not seeing a quiz anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    If you watch Fair City through a comedic lens it is possibly the funniest thing on RTÉ.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Comedy is a 'problem' for corporate entities in a world where everyone is just waiting to be offended usually on someone else's behalf. RTE is no different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I am talking about Irish productions. And what they should be doing, not what they are currently provide or have provided in the last decade.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It not comedy is the problem it is the lack of comedy or any of the programmes that I mentioned above.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Maybe you didn't understand my drift, comedy is often controversial and the last thing RTE wants is to be is held up as non-PC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Ah so that is why they don't do comedy and have never really done comedy.

    Must be the same for music, arts, drama, quiz shows, game shows and so on as well!

    BBC should have followed their lead stopped long ago.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I don't think the lack of classical music apart from that on Lyric can be put down to their trying to avoid controversy. CMAT gets an airing Kneecap not so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Your thesis there falls apart when one considers that RTÉ continue to pay for Mrs. Brown’s Boys; a crass, crude, outdated (by decades) embarrassment, a show so awful it manages to be lazy, racist, sexist, and homophobic in its stereotypical portrayal of various Irish people and whose creator was also involved in a racial slur controversy. How do you explain that one?

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Music in general, where is RTÉ TV's music show, even at the height of music TV RTÉ was fairly empty. I am not saying there are none but I am saying across the board RTÉ are lacking not just comedy or music, but in general.

    But that is my point about all genres RTÉ could not be accused of try to avoid controversy with the many genres that I mentioned, yes you could argue that RTÉ avoid Comedy as it could be considered controversial but was that the case over the last 100 years of Radio and 60 years of TV? I doubt that very much.

    If Public Service Media is to be just News and Current Affairs then so be it.

    RTÉ ONE to become a live news and current affairs TV station covering some live sports, but the majority with commercial entities. The other genres left to the commercial sector. (Remember that fantastic TV3 comedy, back in the good auld days!).

    RTÉ Radio 1 to become a full News and current affair radio station, no sports with sports on commercial radio.

    Sell off RTÉ2 and 2FM, move RnaG in with TG4 (with TG4 dropping all imported programming and a strict policy on Irish language programming), move the CO and Lyric FM under the National Concert Hall.

    Drop RTÉ NEWS NOW, RTÉ ONE +1, RTÉjr and RTÉ GOLD.

    Seems like a plan to me? But then what are we left with?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Maybe the television and radio elements could be rebranded as NKTV and NKFM respectively?

    One rule: every programme on both formats must have at least one (but ideally more than one) of the talented celebrities from within the NKM stable as a presenter AND at least one more as a guest so the no. 1 recurring feature on Irish tv and radio (NKM talent interviewing NKM talent) could be brought under one roof. The guest NKM talent could answer soft questions about whatever product they’re promoting and the host NKM talent could also plug additional products throughout the show.

    Sponsorship opportunities around these casual and totally not scripted conversations could also bring in additional revenue. For example we could have a new lighthearted afternoon show with Carl Mullan called “Carl’s Chats” where Carl talks to other NKM talent about things they’re promoting at the moment, for example segments could include “Carl Grills” where Carl conducts a no holds barred talk to Doireann Garrihy about her favourite Centra 3 for €10 BBQ meat offer, sponsored by SuperValu; or “Carl’s Fireside Chats” where Carl talks to Dermot Bannon about WillowWarm Briquettes in front of an open fire, sponsored by Bord na Mona; or “Carl’s Hard Talk” where Carl talks to Doireann’s husband about erectile dysfunction, sponsored by Viagra Connect; or “Carl’s Cons” where Carl talks to Baz about online fraud, sponsored by AIB.

    It would at least save these global icons the indignity of having to travel to Ballymount to appear on Virgin. Do you know how hard it is to even get a passable latte in Ballymount? Dublin 4 is more in tune with their lifestyles and this should be accommodated and funded by the licence fee.

    And now that Mr. Backhurst’s pay has been increased following a stellar performance and widespread change implemented across the organisation there’s room for fees increases for the talent.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    The Sindo have a couple of features on the affair again today. The Toyman and the it seems permanently incapacitated invisible woman feature prominently. Both articles are behind paywalls.

    I’m on foreign soil for the next 10 days and the usual paywall removers aren’t allowing me to access the articles so perhaps someone who has access to them could share any new nuggets the articles contain.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Same here paywall removers seem to be down this morning.

    Shane Ross's new book about the affair is being luanched. D4bres is still sick! Jimbo also ill at this time. Pray for them.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    The Toyman should get Ross on The Bookshelf Podcast to discuss the book. It would be intriguing and delicious.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



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