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Cycling Ireland 2026 road racing

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Also have to look at why the ICVA league is packed every weekend, with almost twice the total numbers of any other race in the country. I really think they may need to not try to fix what's broken, but start from Scratch if there is no major improvement. Hopefully the good weather means a large crowd for the Waller Cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Entry fees remain affordable on my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Media like SB are hell bent on reporting negativity around race numbers and cancellations which is creating excess negativity imo.

    Look at Wexford Wheelers who put a new race on the calender recently and very little arpund the team involved who I’m sure faced plenty challenges. Sone positive publicity from then wouldn’t go amiss.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Decent numbers at the Waller Cup today which was good to see. Lovely weather obviously helped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    The Wicklow Classic on the calender for May 31st, anyone have information on this?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    St. Tiernans race, website hasn't any info except the general area of Valleymount/Hollywood/Wicklow Gap. There are a couple of decent circuits up there from when I raced in their club league so I'll definitely be signing up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭mamax


    The Crotty Cup (C1&C2) and The Cotter Cup (C3) 2 day

    Registration now open

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    https://eventmaster.ie/event/7YrlsyeFdv

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    N=1 on the vets

    • you are making a season long commitment, as you're paying up front. And people still bin it off with 2 marshal slots plus WW200 marshalling
    • While there isn't really clear logic to upgrades/ downgrades, there's 6 ability groups so everyone is fairly competitive. Not saying it's necessarily the wrong approach, but CI gone the other way from 4 to 3 categories.
    • Most years I take out an Open Racing licence, but a big thing the vets has is the 9am (ish) start and you're home at reasonable hour. I guess the C1 races are trying to attract racers from across the country so justify a later start, but it's definitely a bit of blocker for me.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    100% for me, I definitely prefer an earlier start. I have a family, easier to sell being back by lunch time or mid afternoon than it is to say I won't be back until after dinner. If that means I have to leave at 4am, so be it. The race in Kilmore we had a lad came down from the North for a 9:30 start. The next day he went to Limerick. I think early starts are preferred by almost everyone.

    I also say it routinely, but it will never change, we need to just pull the pin and stop having entries open until a day before the event. We need to go the way of club leagues or Triathlon, entries are in and closed off a long way before. Having your race fail because riders can see that its probably raining is not fair. The issue with this is it will be fought against by riders and promoters, they need to just take the bull by the horns for a year and ride out the complaints, all races close 3 months before hand, if they don't have enough entries then, the race doesn't go ahead. I guarantee you the next year entries will be on time after a year of abuse. I entered a sportif that I never made months before, life got in the way but if they were open till the Friday before, I'd never have entered.

    Lastly in regards the groupings, I would agree with that as well, it is a bit like the fear of people not making the catch in a handicap so Comms or organisers don't give a realistic one. Same happened at the weekend where they only gave a minute. We had one a few weeks ago where the top riders didn't make the catch. i was annoyed with myself for getting it wrong but the first rider to comment from the chase group said, we didn't work well enough, it is our own fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    Well I wouldn't mind handicaps too much, but I've definitely skipped a couple of races due to doubts about my capabilities, with the circuit profile and C3 vs old A4, on top of roll out time.

    For the Cotter Cup, do all 3 stages start in Kilrush?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭mamax


    Yep all stages start from the community school in Kilrush v15kt04

    And for the C2 riders it will be a generous handicap over the C1's in The Crotty Cup, a good chance for a few lads to make a plan, shorter race than before at 88km as well worth a punt.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Old finish line or the new one at the bottoms of the drag?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Big field of C1s yesterday in Bohermeen.

    More C1s than C2s actually

    I agree on the entry fees up front. Lads will generally turn up for club races as the fee has been paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Sammy96


    Any more information on the courses for the C3? Be nice to have some more information before committing to the full weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    C3 information was emailed to past entrants for the Cotter Cup earlier this week.

    I’m sure it’s easy find via Facebook or I can post it here tonorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Sammy96


    Thanks, not a facebook user.

    Will try and find it somewhere.

    There badly is a need for a platform where more race details are easy to find for riders.

    Perhaps Cycling Ireland can help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭mamax


    Beat me to it :) Thanks a mil, and yes new finish line outside kerri agri will be used for all races

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    Lads, those of you talking about advance sign up, how far in advance are we talking? Fellas shouldn't be expected to sign up for 12 or 14 road races before a ball is kicked. Marathons and Triathlon are different in the sense that one event will be a centre piece of a season. Racing on the road is a weekly thing for a period of months, where possible.

    I had planned to do more races than I have done, for different reasons, never the weather. If I had paid for all the races I originally planned but didn't make, then I would be a bit sour. It kind of feels like a bit of a snap.

    The fact you used to be able to turn up with your tenner of a Sunday morning and race 100 other sign ons in A3 or A4 tells me the numbers issue has nothing to do with the method of sign on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭mamax


    Nowadays running a race is expensive, ambo, moto marshals, comms, hire of facilities, food and so on, if we left it to sign on morning of race and only a handful of lads showed up then we could get burned.

    Plenty of races in recent years have been cancelled because of lack of entries so it just can't work like that anymore, most lads should try to sign up to a sat/sun race at the very latest the mon/tue before, if everyone did this we'd be in a better place.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭daragh_


    We should be able to post details tomorrow and open entry soon after. You lot will be the first to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    From generally observing and from reading comments (and the lack of comments), there seems to be a disconnect between 1) those passionate about promoting road racing and who put effort into organising races and keeping the show on the road on the one hand, and 2) those who actually race on the other hand.

    As someone who came from other sports (football and athletics), I still struggle to wrap my head around how cycling as a sport is structured in Ireland. Are we trying to ape the European model simply because that's how things are run over there and that's the heartland of cycling? Is there a need for a complete re-think about how cycling is structured? It's like a puzzle wrapped in a riddle - once you're on the inside and have your racing connections I'm sure it all makes sense, bit compared to how other sports operate, the barriers to entry into competing are pretty heavy.

    If it was pay-per-play on football, for example, half the clubs in Ireland would fold within a season. Cyclists seem to be a lot more selfish (in the best sense of the word) than competitors in other sports. I've seen the commitment that goes into organising club leagues and CX races/ leagues, and I'm just not sure that the same commitment is shown by the broader cohort of racers. At the end of the day, if we/ you want something to thrive you have to give something back, something more than "I'll pick and choose my races, sign up late in the day, pay my fee and show up for those events".

    This isn't meant as a criticism of anyone - as I said at the top, I find the whole structure a bit bizarre and that doesn't really help those racing or looking to get into racing. Our club competes in an excellent club league, but even then you'd rarely ever meet the serious racers in the club. They train on their own, communicate separately to club channels it seems, and are never about for club spins. If this is the norm for most clubs, if it wasn't for the club league option I don't know how people get into the racing scene unless they've come up through junior ranks. And even then, how many clubs have juniors?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    And yet, this part of the discussion was kicked off by someone looking at the success of the IVCA, and that is structured in a way where you're effectively paying for the season upfront + 3 marshal slots.

    Do the ICL's not want some form of upfront commitment too?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I made this point to CI years ago when they started to realise that things were tapering off, Make it that everyone with a competitive license has to marshal two open road races, Randomly assigned after licences are issued. Every race organiser would be relieved of the internal pressure, I suggest it, it is laughed off as a failure. ICVA and every club league in the country demand it and we think it is great.

    I sh1t you not, I had an Olymipian marshalling one corner last week, the week before 3 Ras riders, this week a Ras na mBan rider. All marshalled without complaint. Smallest club league in the country and bar the Waller Cup, we had more riders than any other race in the country this week for our club league.

    CI need to accept that tweaking the current situation isn't working. Racing is alive and well, CI just seem to not be noticing where it is. ICVA had higher numbers than any race in the country this weekend, one club league was on par per race with any open race the in country and another was not far behind,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭this.lad


    I think it's a bit like the EU.

    There are nett contributors and nett beneficiaries.

    There are too few of the second and not enough of the first. Some clubs have huge membership numbers, huge bank balances, a large racing contingent with support cars etc, but never run a race and in many cases don't support youth membership.

    Other, often smaller clubs, have no members, no money and smaller networks but yet continue to offer racing and events, often at a loss. Don't get me started on teams who are, increasingly, taking on youth riders aswell and taking them, and their parents out of the clubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭daragh_


    Wicklow Classic now open for entries. Appreciate your support as it’s been a while since we promoted a race.

    https://www.sttiernanscc.com/wicklow-classic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭daragh_




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Will try convince my body that this sort of parcours is good for me but a bulky C3 on that course……

    Should make for an epic C1/2 race though.



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