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Are fuel prices pushing you towards an EV?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,930 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    9.32 per 100km at 175cpl is 5.3l/100km or approx 53mpg in old money. Quite high MPG for a normal petrol car, in fact probably unachievable without having at least a HEV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The fuel price comparison details can be found here


    https://www.seai.ie/sites/default/files/publications/Fuel-Cost-Comparison-Methodology.pdf

    5.39 litre/100km is the price they use which is probably somewhere between a hybrid and a petrol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    lol when Irish banks trying to pump something we should all be worried after our past experiences when they ran the country into the ground and needed bailouts

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,047 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I'd be wary of all stats but I think it definitely puts to bed the argument that EVs are more expensive than ICEs. And if the purchase price of EVs is less than ICEs then that does help offset any increased depreciation with EVs over ICEs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,292 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it doesn't prove anything unless we know what sort of cars people are buying.

    what if, on average, the electric cars are measurably smaller than the ICE cars being bought? if everyone who was buying a BEV was buying an inster, and everyone who was buying an ICE car was buying a passat, you wouldn't reasonably argue that EVs are 'cheaper', the first conclusion you'd draw there is that small cars are cheaper.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,930 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'd love to see anyone get 53mpg in my ICE cars, I have a 3.0 diesel jag, a 2.5 diesel range rover P38 and a k11 micra.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,275 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    The stats are definitely out there, regarding what the best selling cars are and their fuel type.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Looking even closer you can see that in similar cars from the same manufacturers the EVs are cheaper options in most cases

    Volkswagen and Hyundai are probably the best example of this and I'd say the prices will keep dropping

    Golf petrol, from €34,830, ID3 from €31,780

    Kona petrol From €32,595, Kona Electric from €32,345

    https://www.volkswagen.ie/en/new-cars.html

    https://hyundai.ie/new-cars/?_gl=1adwmn5_upMQ.._gs*MQ..&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIz9nstNGDlAMVopRQBh0-QiTqEAAYASAAEgJI6fD_BwE&gbraid=0AAAAADvtouzREdEy2_s9Zj4ORBf1_Q7Bp



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,292 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you'd have hoped that 'Ireland's only dedicated electric vehicle platform' would have used those stats instead of trotting out a largely meaningless superficial figure, which a casual poster on boards would have been questioned on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,275 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    This is purely AI generated but might give a good indication.

    Top BEV's sold in 2025:

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    Top selling ICE + Hybrid in 2025:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,047 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Top ten EV models. 7 of 10 are crossover sized.

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    https://stats.simi.ie/

    I think Derek has a Boards account and could confirm, can't remember his username. I assume he used simi stats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    You do you, dude, but I'll go ahead and believe my own brother rather than some randomer on the internet who trades a few cars on the side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,275 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    I'm at 18 cars sold so far this month and I can assure you that none of my diesels lost 40% like your brother claims😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭derekreilly


    Evening all

    Yes, used the Q1 SIMI stats for the 10 most popular sold cars overall Vs 10 most popular EVs.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Ev fan


    I have a Stanley Fatmax electric mower and have good size lawns to cut. Of course you have to ensure that you have the batteries charged before you decide to cut the lawn. It is only a push mower but that said it's a lot lighter than my old petrol one. Cuts the grass well enough but will struggle to cut long grass. Important to get as powerful electric motor as you can with high capacity batteries. EGO I think is an American brand and they have the higher power electric mowers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    A yaris cross and a VW ID4 are 2 very different machines. I think what the poster is asking is what do the EV versions of the top 10 ICE models sell for

    If you compare the €32k Toyota Yaris Cross to a €31,160 BYD Dolphin or the €41,995 Tucson to the €41,832 Tesla Model Y might be a better analysis to make. Notably they are still cheaper cars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭Morpork


    I'm currently driving a 2012 Mazda CX-5 and am thinking of making the switch to a new EV. Actually the wifey will keep the Mazda since it is probably negative value at this stage. When we built the house a few years ago we had solar panels and a socket for a car charger installed. We usually generate more than we consume. This month so far we generated 862 kWh vs 533 used.

    So I've been looking at cars online and also sat in a few and took a Tesla model Y for a test drive. I'm leaning heavily towards the Tesla for various reasons.
    With the general government subsidy for EVs we get a discount of almost 7,000 euro which would mean I'd be paying about €23,000 for a 2026 Model Y premium. I'll also get 3 years free super charger use if I register before July and will slow charge at home now and then while the solar is going.

    I haven't looked at EVs at all really until a week ago, so I'm clueless about them. This seems like a good deal, but am I missing something here or should I go for it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    What country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,047 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭Morpork


    Sorry, I should have said. I live in Japan. I'll be using Euro from my Irish bank account to pay for the car and the yen is weak right now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,047 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Are there any fuel cell cars being used in Japan or have they come around to EVs? Or are they using Toyota 'hybrids' ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Definitely. Wife has an EV and gets a full charge for about €10-12. We have a home charger installed and got solar panels. I drive about 400-500 km a week (at current prices, about €50 a week) so could do with a cheaper option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭Morpork


    Not as far as I know. They're slowing coming around to EVs hence the big push with the subsidy this year. Different makers get different subsidies, with Japanese cars getting the most (1.3million¥) but Tesla got 1.27million¥ for some reason.

    I see loads of hybrids here and quite a few houses with chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    The long and the short of this thread, ask anyone who has gone EV if they’d go back to ICE and they’ll all say no. It’s not a matter of if people switch, it’s when.

    Charging overloading the grid? Most people charge their EV at night when the rate is cheaper and there is excess capacity on the grid.
    People with shared parking, apartments or terraced housing, they’ll have more friction with moving but nothing insurmountable.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    26k net for a Model Y Premium is very good. They are 52k in Ireland right now, albeit with further small and periodic incentives here and there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Dayor Knight


    E.U. weekday rate is just under 35c per unit, but as you're getting one day free you really have to discount to just under 30c on a seven day basis (before you move anything to Saturday or Sunday).

    If you have an EV, that's going to be your biggest electricity user by far.

    The most important thing is to run the numbers for your own usage profile. Don't be put off by a higher rate for some part of your usage if the overall benefit of a plan works for you.

    It's not a competition. What's best for one may not be best for another. I ran mine through Energy pal at one point and it came up with the E.I. Weekender plan I'm on. As my usage changes (less draining) the best plan may change.

    But for anyone considering moving to E.V. this info may help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,079 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Is there a cap on the free electricity? With most of those plans there is, which makes them worse than useless. Now if you could draw 15kW * 24h on that day, it would give you 360kWh for free, enough to charge all your EVs from empty to full, a large hot water tank and a huge battery 😀

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Bord Gais used to have a free weekend day plan which was limited to 100kWh a month but I think they've pulled it

    Electric Ireland have no limits as far as I can tell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    Fuel prices are falling so fast I may get another diesel :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 14.5psi


    I'd love to know what % of EV owning households only own an EV (whether one or more) versus an EV + a car with an ICE. In other words, what percentage of folks have gone "all in". Most I know have one of both, but I also know of a few households that have gone exclusive EV (him and her).

    As fuel prices go up, it'd definitely make me consider one. I'm typically a fan of older cars (after they've taken the huge depreciation hits), so serviceability and reliability are key for me. Knowing what I know about post-2010 ICE cars, I know they're high maintenance but fixable. Given EVs are not as easily serviced (battery cells, invertors, programming when new parts are fitted, etc.), I'd need them to be capable of >400k km without performance degradation.

    Government also need to set out a clear vehicle taxation roadmap. Policy shifts make a big difference in purchase decisions. For example, what happens when we all (vast majority) do make the EV switch? What will annual motor tax be? Will there be an excise duty on EV charging and how will it be managed at homes? Weight-based taxation has been talked about a lot and seems to be a near certain policy direction, but no rates have been discussed. Likewise with congestion charges. Basically, Revenue need to maintain at least €1.5bn a year from taxes on cars and at present EVs contribute very little of that, so it will be passed on.

    More here: https://assets.gov.ie/static/documents/potential-fiscal-impacts-of-the-transition-to-a-lower-carbon-economy-in-ireland.pdf

    At the moment there's a temporary balance whereby those in ICE cars subsidise those in EVs, but that could last for 10-15 years. Many reading this will be retired by then so won't care as much.

    Horse and cart anyone?



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