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Fuel Protest (Read MOD NOTE on first post)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    We don't need as many cattle farms as we have. They should be nationalised and rewilded.

    Beyond daft.

    Irish Beef and Produce is a premium product and a hugely successful export because of how it is farmed.

    Also I can just imagine the reaction from literally everybody if a government tried to mass steal land from it's citizens.

    Silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    The Greens these days inhabit bizzaro pinko leftie green watermelon land, politically stuck somewhere between communism for some, authoritarianism for others and subservience to China while reverting to preindustrial utopia they imagine existed where everyone was a happy peasant in a field for some lord somewhere not emitting carbon, tho even on the carbon front they have no issues with emissions or burning down rainforests

    The poster doesn’t know the constitution and or aware of the history of the state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The problem with nuclear previously was the size of the power plants and the effects if something went wrong. Both of those parameters have changed since the last proposal fifty years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Contractor has a different meaning in those contexts. In IT and most other jobs, it means you're not permanent and you're there for a fixed term, usually months, sometimes years and usually doing the same job as someone in a permanent role.

    An agricultural contractor is someone you hire in for a day or two, not so much for his/her labour but for the multi 100k piece of machinery they are sitting on while they are there. They wouldn't so much 'farm' as operate the machinery.

    https://www.facebook.com/p/Farm-Contractors-Ireland-100079310025553/

    For me the farming equivalent of an IT contractor would be a farm relief, someone who might come in for a few weeks and actually do a bit of farming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Yeah to me and agricultural contractor would be more like a change management specialist, a leadership trainer or someone brought in to integrate new software. Short term for a very specific job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Anyways solar broke an all time high today peaking at nearly 1.2GW.

    Renewables slice of the mix contributed to 66.8% of our power needs over the past 24 hours.

    Screenshot_20260424-212403~2.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    while wind only managed 1.7 of 7 on a day with 5 peak demand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The local community benefits too, as like with wind turbine projects, the company has to set up a community fund for local causes.

    Going by the reputations of some Windfarms, the community fund quickly becomes a slush fund for the admins to compile reports. By the time anything gets done, the money left is a pittance. In some cases, the money promised never even materialises. Any community who thinks they'll get a great new facility if they 'accept' the bribe, you'll be sorry in the end. Don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    May is the sunniest month in Ireland on average. We're less than a week from May. Electricity demand will be lower on days like we're getting currently, no tumble dryers going, people eating salads instead of roasting a dinner in the oven, etc…

    The peak demand this morning was 5.4G

    That pie chart on most winter days here would paint a totally different story. In mid-winter demand exceeds 7.0G on occasion.

    Under a high pressure cell in winter, often which are full of anticyclonic 'gloom', i.e. a cloudy high (settled, cloudy, cool to cold and near calm), we will need serious amounts of gas, nuclear, oil, coal, whatever you can get you hands on, to generate electricity. Solar panels will be very limited and wind turbines will not generate, no matter how many turbines there are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I've got a solar farm around the corner from me while there some objections, it went ahead. No such bribes were promised and it's had no real impact on the community, positive or negative. It just does its thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    I have one that was built and now looks like an industrial estate surrounded by high fences, without locals finding out until too late (due to Covid lockdowns) and no one in area getting anything for it.

    These foreign companies using Israeli tactics of putting “facts on the ground” to ram through what amount to gross abuse of planning process as there is currently a loophole

    Another one of 1000+ acres is being fought tooth and nail uniting the community



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Or the window cleaners or the lads who cut the grass. Change management? Let's compare apples with apples. Farms have consultants too.

    😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    RTE news : Why is oil coming from northern Europe costing us more?

    http://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2026/0425/1570092-analysis-fuel-prices/

    A Ladybird article that RTE has compiled for thick b@st@rds (blockade supporters, you know who you are) who can't think and just react like bleeting sheep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    No the fact that it’s an order of magnitude less co2 and costs is main reason as been discussed to death and backed up by real world data instead of marketing we get which led us to have one of the highest electricity prices in world that’s still produces gobs of co2 and relies on gas

    Annoying hundreds of communities up and down the country by turning food producing land into industrial estates for foreign companies who rip us off is not great either, something politicians will learn come next elections

    I’ve nothing against solar, have it myself, but put it on empty roofs of which there are plenty not green fields



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    One of the reasons we have higher electricity costs than might otherwise be the case is because we've so many people living in the country.

    We've one fifteenth the population of the UK but something like one quarter of the number of transformers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You have to accept that the solar rollout isn't effecting food production in any meaningful way for your argument to make sense (and understand that the non-panel infrastructure is costly hence why flat roofs aren't always the best option). These are facts that have been shown to you multiple times.

    Repeating make believe weakens any other points you have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    it does when it’s not going on roofs but food producing fields

    The latest greenwashing fad will also lead to more rainforests being chopped down

    Plenty of roofs and grayfield and industrial sites across the country

    even more reasons to place these farms in Dublin and other main urban centres were the demand is so



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Do you not understand the economies of scale of building a large solar array in a field?

    Genuine question.

    SF chasing the idiot trump vote, won't end well for them, MLMD is hanging on by a thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    We are told solar is cheap, turns out it’s cheap because planning can be bypassed and externalities and 10% capacity factor ignored

    Plenty of green areas in Dublin that don’t grow food, stick em there next to demand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The land is cheaper and there is more of it in rural ireland.

    We dont need all the food that we are currently over subsidising on irish farms but we can put some of that land to good use with renewable energy that will provide energy for both rural and urban dwellers.

    Its a better use of the land for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    The population of the world is still rapidly climbing, 69 million people added in the last 12 months, that’s a UK sized population that will need to be fed now … just added in the last year

    Converting thousands of acres of food producing land into industrial estates is a crime, double so as it means more virgin rainforests are then cut down to feed people… and we still need to burn gas the 90% time these panels are barely producing

    Put these panels on roofs and industrial estates and over car parks, motorway sides like Germany, no need to buy land then

    Or just build a single nuclear plant taking 50-100 hectares in Dublin port or between Dublin and Belfast and provide cheap clean electricity like normal countries in Europe like France do, French emit 6x less co2 than us and have much cheaper electricity for their industries and consumers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Its not Irelands job to feed the world.

    We need to subsidise farmers to provide food security. I dont think anyone has a problem with that.

    We consume about 60k tonnes of beef in ireland. We produce 600k tonnes.

    Subsidise 120k tonnes, which is still twice what we need, but the rest of the subsidies should goto supporting renewables, which benefit the whole population of ireland.

    If farms are going to accept the subsidies they need to accept the conditions that are applied to receiving those benefits.

    We will soon incur huge fines from the EU linked to over production of food.

    It's not sutainable for the irish tax payer to continue subsidising food it will never eat and then have to pay twice by getting fined for the emissions linked to that over production.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭creedp


    Is it not the EU that subsides farming to provide food security for EU countries not just Ireland.

    What I can’t understand is how the Govt continues to allow planning for housing development after housing development without requiring all such developments to blanket the houses with solar panels. Vested interest being placated again?

    Seems ridiculous to be paying grants to households to retrofit panels and at the same time not mandating that all new building have them installed by the developers and baked into the cost of the houses? Or am I missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Ireland is a net contributor to the EU.

    We pay in about 3 billion and only get 2.2 billion back. 70% of that 2.2 billion goes to agriculture.

    We then get fined by the EU for over producing food with the subsidies that we paid for in the first place....Its not sutainable and not in our interest and the govt know this.

    The govt are trying to find ways of using the land the tax payer is subsidising more efficiently and its clearly the right thing to do for the tax payer.

    The cost of solar panels is the reason they arent mandatory for new builds.

    Housing is expensive enough as it is but costs would be even higher if we added solar to construction cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That doesn't explain your continuing wrong position.

    It seems like you are annoyed at a solar plant near you and are lashing out irrationally because of it but also failing to explain what the solar plant has done to you (were you going to grow food on it in some sort of "field" scenario?).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭50HX


    Solar panels themselves are as cheap as chips.

    A DIY kit with 10-12 panels,inverter & 5kwh battery which is sufficient for average semi d is sub 3k.

    A developer on larger scale estate builds would considerably reduce this price again.

    It would add approx 1% or less to the price of an average semi D house build



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