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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭BK5


    So did the appeal actually go ahead today? If it did, is there a timeframe on a verdict?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    They must get loads of cash off someone to assassinate themselves so publicly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    "So did the appeal actually go ahead today?"

    Insofar as everyone turned up and were ready to go.

    But Enoch did not pass go and so straight to jail for him.

    The inevitable happened, Enoch objected to the make-up of the panel and it all kicked off again.

    https://archive.ph/emzDE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    He was objecting to the solicitors being present on the basis that they are not usually present at such hearings (their presence means another appeal against unfairness of the panel is difficult due to trusted witnesses being present).

    So, basically Enoch being a baby that an avenue of disruption has been taken away from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    At this stage does anybody still believe that the Burke objective is to have their demands met? As opposed to causing disruption and getting attention?

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Westernview


    All about attention. The mother is clearly drunk on the endorphins arising from the media coverage and can't quit the drug now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The Panel can have whoever they want.

    Where the Panel meets for the purpose of taking oral evidence or hearing oral submissions the following are entitled to be present;

    i the teacher concerned

    ii any person/s in accordance with paragraph 11 above who is entitled to makesubmissions on behalf of the teacher concerned

    iii The chair of the board of management and a serving member of the Board, or Principal, designated to assist the Chair of the Board of Management

    iv any other person whom the Panel agrees may be present



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    He was always going to object, they just made it easier for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The teacher making the appeal is entitled, if he or she wishes, to make oral submissions to the Panel either in person or through a representative, normally a serving teacher, a wholetime official/s of the union holding recognition for his or her grade or other such person as the Panel agrees may be present for that purpose.

    He was then allowed back into the room - but was removed again when he started to interrupt proceedings.

    His brother Isaac and mother Martina were also in the room during the incident - and they were then escorted out by gardai.

    Mammy couldn't help herself of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The opposite, without the solicitors present he could argue the panel didn't conduct themselves lawfully. Getting milage out of that will be near impossible due to their presence. Enoch knows this, hence the objections. As pointed out, they are allowed by the rules of the appeal process, so it goes back to arguing precedence instead which is a weak point and doesn't allow much room for the decision to be challenged (which will be the next appeal).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,588 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Hopefully if EB goes to law over the lawyers presence, it will be put at the top of the calendar and thrown out promptly as having no relevance in law. Ditto for any appeal he submits on that last court ruling. With a bit of luck the Burke DAP hearing 3 will appear at any appeal EB makes and behave the same way before whichever Justice, and subsequent Justices, sit in judgement on the appeals.

    I am delighted that EB was provided the freedom by Mr Justice O'Connell to act up live at the DAP hearing and that his family fell for the temptation to act up in front of the DAP panel publicly, providing their own recording of their activities. It was good that the DAP hearing was not "in camera". It means they might go for another act-up in an actual appeals courtroom and provide a good reason for another criminal contempt conviction and prison time for them, maye even a first for EB if he is present in court at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    I’d say they would have been better without the lawyers present as th same play acting would have resulted and the video could have been used as evidence that they are abusing the DAP process. The presence of third party lawyers on one side will no doubt mean at least one further court hearing to determine that it was not an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    After all this time, why are the panel still acting the eejit? They should know that the cult will pounce on absolutely anything that seems even remotely out of the ordinary. It's like the whole thing is bieng handled by some gormless dope within the department somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    If there's a procedure to be followed, the worst thing you can do is not follow the procedure. That would just give the Burkes further leverage to create even more havoc. Seems like letting them be the ones to do everything wrong is the best course of action here.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,196 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭DmanDmythDledge


    When is a decision/recommendation from the panel expected?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,588 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    From The Journal.ie….

    As of late April 2026, there is no fixed, public deadline for the third Disciplinary Appeal Panel (DAP) to issue its final recommendation to Wilson's Hospital School following the chaotic conclusion of the hearing on April 24, 2026. [1, 2, 3]Key details regarding the current status:

    • Hearing Breakdown: The third iteration of the DAP hearing, held in Athlone, ended prematurely on April 24, 2026, after Enoch Burke was removed by prison officers following repeated interruptions regarding the presence of the school’s legal team.
    • Process Status: The panel, consisting of an independent chair and representatives, heard the school’s case, but Mr. Burke was not present for the final segments.
    • Next Steps: The panel will now deliberate on the evidence and points raised before issuing a final recommendation to the school's Board of Management, which will then decide to uphold, overturn, or modify the dismissal. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

    The hearing was allowed to proceed after Mr. Justice Micheál O'Connell refused an injunction to halt it on April 23, 2026, concluding that previous delays were partly caused by the applicant. [1, 2, 3]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭BK5


    Surely there has to be law or a ruling where it can be decided that Burke is not acting in good faith?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Oh, i think everybody knows that, and we're in the "give him enough rope" phase of things now.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BettyS


    I am surprised that they don’t move to Texas



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,848 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    because over there they’d just be another family trolling for donations and subscriptions. Here they’ve no competition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BettyS


    we are losing interest fast in them. They have lost their novelty and shock factor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭juno10353


    Here they see themselves as big fish. Even if its a small pond. In texas they would be nobodies in a huge ocean of other nobodies. And wouldnt get away woth their dramatics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭Glaceon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    If, as I suspect, their ultimate objective is to be disruptive and annoying to regular society as part of their game of playing the victim, a move to somewhere where their behaviour is normalised is not something they'd be interested in.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,196 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Harder market to crack, there are already a load of crackpots in America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BettyS


    I was more thinking for their law practice. They are unemployable in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,363 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    They would have to pass the bar exam in either New York or california and then try to transfer to by scoring high on the UBE. I don't think either qualify to take the Texas bar exam directly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    I can't see them in either state but definitely not California. Though landing them into L.A. or San Francisco would be worth watching for an hour or so.

    As others have said there'd be nothing novel about them in the U.S.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Juran


    And only after they secure a visa for the US. Not easy if you don't have a employer to sponsor you, or proof of a college course for a study visa. And if you do study in the US, without funding or a scholaship, studying any law course / sitting the bar would set you back the price of a 3-bed semi in Mayo.



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