Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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This is in Tallaght alone

Add in the other hospitals around the country not to mention the courts services - the costs don’t stop at just the medical cards and free legal aid

The total spend on all this must be mental

Probably done through gritted teeth

I watched a bit of the London tube suicide bombings on Netflix recently. ( Don't bother as it was unclear who the biggest victims of it were, the people blown up or Muslims living in the uk)

Before I packed it in the head of mi5 at the time was interviewed. She said she got the phone call of the bombings and wasn't surprised. They were flat out monitoring countless suspects and she always knew some would slip through the net.

I hope too jaysus mi5 or the yanks have a few lads undercover here as a few years ago Helen mcentee couldn't even confirm if we had one guard that could speak Arabic.

God is there anything on here that people won't moan about?

English is the dominant global language. Most ordinary Irish people, by and large, do not tend to be in places that are ever so remote that they would have genuinely experienced hospital environments where nobody in the building is at least able to convey the basics of a situation to them in English. You are ultimately speaking to doctors, who naturally tend to be well educated and in many cases will have trained, studied or otherwise worked in English speaking environments at some point.

In the vast, vast majority of cases as an English speaker your translation needs will be met by at least someone in the hospital staff. There will obviously be exceptions but ultimately it is also in the hospital's interests for all kinds of legal and professional reasons that they are able to understand you too and you'd be unfortunate to be absolutely and indefinitely stuck without any access to an English speaking person.

I think the post to which you are responding may have been tongue-in-cheek.

I admit that I do have a certain level of suspicion that you know so much about the meaning and intent of a song which you have urged us to seek out rather than it being something you actually have to hand to share it with us. After a quick Googling around, I found the song which is called out "Without Us" by Dounana. You can listen to it here and the lyrics go along the lines of:

"Eradicate our roots, Demolish our homes, Criminalise our existence, Falsify our origins, Separate our loved ones, And Slaughter our children, Take our blood for granted, And demonise our revolutionaries, Steal our knowledge, Keep our people oblivious, And torture our spirits, And denounce us our rights, Colonise our countries, And appoint our rulers, Appropriate our goods, And burn down our trees. But who would you be without us?"

From reading the lyrics, watching the video and googling a bit about the song, it appears to be a song written to vocalise anger about the interference of the West in poor countries, the destruction which it brings and the attitudes by some in the West towards those countries and the people who end up fleeing them. I do not think that one can expect that Western generosity in taking in refugees must somehow be taken as a prohibition on refugees feeling angry at the fact that Western interference bears a good degree of responsibility in treating certain countries as the playthings of their economic and political interests and then to be derided by many people in those Western countries who label them as scroungers, rapists, murderers and general undesirables. She refers to "appointing our rulers" and "appropriating our goods" — I mean, are you disputing that Western countries interfere in the political affairs of poorer countries and also often exploit those countries' resources? What is you want from her here? That she says thank you to those who disparage her people at every turn and who portray them as the doom of the West because they are morally deficient?

There doesn't seem to be anything in the song that is saying she thinks all westerners are bad, or that she feels no gratitude for those want to treat refugees kindly and fairly, or that she hates Germany. Or do you actually need her to include a campfire song in traditional lederhosen attire singing "I love you Germany I am forever grateful to Germany forever" to quell your fear?

Two things stand out to me

The only thing that stands out is you were well able to post a screen shot complete with subtitles, but not the video itself. 😂

Anyway if the likes of that is offending you. I'd give Dylan and Springsteen a wide birth.

The beginning of the end of the Roman Empire is when they opened the gates to the Barbarians.

The Mobility Agreement with India is a legal framework, not a law. It does not override the competency of individual EU member states to determine their own rules re visas / permits etc when it comes to the entry of Indian (i.e. non EU) migrants. It does not require any EU country to change its quotas or numbers in respect of Indian migrants.

The Agreement also involves India agreeing to facilitate the return of illegal Indian migrants, which is positive, and otherwise it sets out to formalise a more detailed and fleshed out framework for skilled migration into Europe.

Better frameworks for legal migration mean better and cleaner processes for monitoring and handling migration, and helps us to tackle illegal and irregular migration. I'm not saying this Agreement is the best thing since sliced bread, but things like this are steps in the right direction in controlling migration and leveraging its benefits.

Video from yesterday circulating online at the moment of a big fracas with a migrant brandishing a knife in a centra on Cathal Brugha st, thankfully gardai seen to be intervening at the end of the video

Of course not a single word of the incident in the media. Not the right kind of criminals to be reporting on.

What on earth are you talking about? You posted about a music video a couple of days ago and rather than defend or explain in any concrete terms the huge leaps in conclusions you drew from it, you are now here putting words in my mouth on a completely different topic.

One is a music video and song you have interpreted, one is an eyewitness video of a man wielding a knife etc. I don't see what the equivalence is here but perhaps you can explain that to me — or simply respond "on my behalf" whenever the next topic pops up.