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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    We know. Jesus Christ, you sound like the other dose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    again, these are the facts, and with instability rising in this sector, its highly unlikely commercial flights will restart this decade, but maybe in the 30's, maybe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,896 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The rising fuel costs might make Waterford airport (being closer to the UK and Europe) slightly more viable than other airports.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭914


    ****ing hell lads.

    Waterford Airport gets the go ahead for a runway extension and it has turned into "you won't get this, you won't get that", "my airport is bigger than your airport"

    As far as we know there is no commerical airline lined up and who cares. Having the runway in place allows the airport to open discussions with airlines which is something they haven't been able to do for years (please don't start the whole, what about Emerald etc, as that argument has been done to death).

    This story is a massive positive for Waterford and the wider region, ignore commerical activity as that most likely won't bring in much money but what it opens the door to and more importantly is increased private services.

    No more diversions to Cork for a Gulfstream in the rain.

    A guaranteed new 10 year contract for SAR services in Waterford also.

    Some are worried about the yank, building the runway and only using it for his personal use, again who cares.

    If he had not come in, the airport was most likely weeks away from closing its doors, in reality without the yanks interest it may have already closed before now.

    The only thing for certain is, if the airport closed you can be sure it would never open again, that now is not the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Bards


    Having David Scully on the board is not for nothing .. all those nay sayers need to do some research as to what his credentials are in the aviation world and it ain't just to land Kelcy Warrens Jet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Waterford is actually slightly further from the all of the London airports than Dublin is.

    Bristol and Cardiff are the only major UK airports that Waterford is a shorter flying distance to than Dublin.

    It's closer for Portugal and Spain and for western and Southern France.

    For pretty much everywhere else in Europe, Dublin is closer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Que sera, sera.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭curmudgeonly


    TBH the business plan sees PAX as way down the list of the developers, hangers , Freight , Maintenance are the big targets, not necessarily in that order.

    But the deal with the Council makes PAX part of the deal, so it will happen soonest.

    Every thing else I have read her from the naysayers is just testiculation!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,896 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Though flight routes are not necessarily direct line routes, Waterford seems closer to London according to Google in terms of flight distances. It is also closer to London than Knock, Shannon, Kerry, Cork. As Dublin is obviously busy, commerical flights from Waterford would take some of that pressure off Dublin. Surely you would approve of lessening the burden on Dublin?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    It's between 15-40km further from the London airports than Dublin, so basically it's the exact same distance. But obviously flights won't necessarily fly in a straight line.

    It is considerably closer than Cork, Shannon, Limerick and Knonck to all the London airports.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    You claimed there was a fuel saving - there isn’t for the destinations I mentioned.

    Just correcting the provable falsehooods you were trying to spin; but seems your only response is to try and shift the goalposts


    Hopefully WAT can convince a low-fare operator to establish a daily Stansted or Luton service, and then there may be some seasonal Sun routes that follow. It would be good for both the city and the region.



    However it won’t be lying about distances that helps makes that happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    And before the usual pile-on that occurs when anyone dares to question the group think on this thread - I want to see WAT be a success and passenger services resume.

    But for it to work it needs to try and ape the model that Knock has made a success - focus on the customer experience and focus on a few key routes that can be a success for both the airlines and for the pax base.

    WAT succeeds by diverting Kilkenny, Carlow and Wexford PAX from Dublin, and well as the Waterford pax base. East Cork travellers from Cork airport aren’t sufficient numbers to make a difference so comparing to Cork is a bit of an irrelevance TBH.

    Idiotic nonsense claiming that WAT is closer to the UK and that the fuel savings will make it work just damage the credibility of the airport and its business case

    Post edited by blackwhite on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,896 ✭✭✭jmcc


    I specifically mentioned that Waterford was closer to the UK than other airports. I specifically listed Knock, Shannon, Kerry and Cork. That is reality. Perhaps you have a different view on Geography and locations. The differences between Waterford and London, and Dublin and London is small and the Google results favoured Waterford. Before you accuse others of lying, try reading what they wrote rather than replying to what you think.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    To be fair to him, I think it's the utter stupidity of the overall point your're trying to make that is his issue more than anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,896 ✭✭✭jmcc


    This is what I posted: "

    "It is also closer to London than Knock, Shannon, Kerry, Cork."

    London is in the UK.

    "

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Not in your original post - I even quoted it for you


    keep on lying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,896 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is a discussion forum. People often elaborate on what they posted earlier in order to clarify matters for people who may not have understood earlier posts. The geographical reality that Waterford is closer to London than Knock, Shannon, Kerry and Cork is irrefutable. If you wanted to appear smart, you might have pointed out that Knock, Shannon and Dublin are closer to the UK if one considers Northern Ireland to be a relevant part of the UK. However, London was specifically mentioned.

    As for fuel savings, some airlines are already cutting back on flights due to the rising costs. Fuel costs are a major issue for airlines and Lufthansa Group has announced that it is cutting 20,000 flights due to fuel costs.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2026/0422/1569538-lufthansa-cuts-20-000-flights-due-to-soaring-jet-fuel/

    It has even cut the Frankfurt to Cork route.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Based on an A320 the fuel saving on a Waterford to Luton flight over a Knock to Luton flight is about €850.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    At EUR8 per passenger - how many people do you think would change from Knock to Waterford as a result? Spending more on the land travel than on the flight saving? It’s an idiotic argument.


    Waterford will be competing with Dublin for the passenger numbers to make it a viable option - not with knock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Deiseen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    The saving in jet fuel flying from Waterford to Luton compared to flying from Cork to Luton on a 737 is likely somewhere in the region of €1 to €2 per passenger. So, in other words, largely irrelevant in comparison to other factors and costs. Many planes would use more fuel queuing up to land at Luton than the difference between flying from Waterford and flying from Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Bards


    You're having a laugh to post that the people on here would think for one moment that knock was a viable alternative ..you have no clue what is happening with the airport, zero research as to who is on the board of the new airport company and what the plans are..you do realise that hundreds of local people gave up their shares (yes they put their money where their mouth was) for the betterment of the region (something the government should have done)...so those nay sayers ..if you have no skin in the game and are from outside the region, and have nothing positive to contribute then you can sh@g right off and go moan on your local regional forum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Before jumping into personal attacks maybe take a deep breath and actually read the posts. Or


    I want WAT to be a success, and outlined the way I think it should be trying to achieve that.


    It wasn’t me who’s been making the idiotic claims about fuel savings making WAT more viable than other airports.

    If you want WAT to see a return of commercial operations that actually last then you should be championing realistic arguments and challenging idiotic pie-in-the-sky nonsense that only damages the credibility of reopening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Bards


    No-one on here is doing the reopening.. it is you my friend that needs to take a deep breath and let the professionals do their job and get on with the job at hand..What we locals do dislike though , s outsiders telling us in the South Esst what we can and cannot have. We had the same arguments with the M9 from people like you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    In fairness, I don't think blackwhite is being too harsh on the airport, just taking issue with the disfancr/fuel thing. CosmoKreamer on the other had clearly wants the airport upgrade to fail for some unknown reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Bards


    He's nitpicking on a tiny thing someone said and it's BS..all part of the same put downs from outsiders that will never use the facility



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Outsiders? You can see the airport from my in-laws' kitchen FFS.

    Idiots spinning fantasy about the airport have done more damage to attempts to re-open over the years that any "outsider" ever did.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Bards


    In-laws.. Lol. Doesn't everyone know someone from everywhere in ireland to justify an argument..still does not make you a south-east resident that will use the airport



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