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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,312 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think my point still stands. The Israeli variants of UKIP would have just pulled Likud further to the right anyway. We don't see this in Ireland which also has an FPTP system.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Wonder what the Trump family would have been doing day to day if he'd stayed and they were all serving in the German military in WW2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Trump needs to shut up. The constant contradictory noise from him must make negotiations even more difficult than they already are.

    One Iranian diplomatic outpost in Ghana pointed out on Tuesday: “In the past 24 hours the president of the United States has: — Thanked Iran for closure of Hormuz; threatened Iran; blamed China; praised China; declared the blockade a success; confirmed Iran restocked through the blockade; promised a deal with Iran; promised bombs will fall on Iran.” The embassy described Trump as a one-man WhatsApp chat group.

    At the weekend, Iran’s deputy foreign minister, Saeed Khatibzadeh, said of Trump: “He talks too much.”



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not a chance any of them would have served..

    If Granddad bolted to avoid National Service during "peacetime" there's zero chance they'd have hung around during an actual war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,146 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Maybe he is a moron who is accidentally a marketing genius?

    There is no maybe about it though. It’s clear as day that he is a moron. He doesn’t have “notions”, I don’t think you know what what refers to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Stanley 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    A one-man Whatsapp group is probably the best description of Trump I've seen in a while.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He does have certain skills.

    They are very "US centric" though , he knows how to appeal to a certain cohort and knows how to boil things down to very very simply slogans that appeal to that group. He understands the power of repetition with them as well. He's the back street car dealer & con artist that can spot an easy mark from a mile away.

    That's not to say that he isn't an incredibly ignorant man with no desire or apparent ability to learn new information.

    His extreme narcissism makes him absolutely certain that he is the smartest guy in any room and than he doesn't need to listen or learn anything. He is Dunning-Kruger made flesh.

    And that's before we get to his racism , misogyny and flat out corruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,146 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    This illusion that he is somehow skilled just boils down to his interactions with Cohen, and also by the fact that they are the skills of a conman.

    It’s just to get his way, that’s all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,346 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Well if Trump is simply a moron how does he get elected not once but twice.. 21 men in history have done so. Trump one of them.


    How are you defining “moron”? Psychology and clinical evaluation from the 19th century coined by the eugenics movement?
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/moron-idiot-imbecile-offensive-history

    Or simply as an “idiot” in common parlance, not in the old uk legislative terminology used in UK law such as the 1913 Mental Deficiency Act?

    https://education-uk.org/documents/acts/1913-mental-deficiency-act.html

    Because to me a person does not get elected as POTUS not once, but twice if they are simply a “moron”. They have to have some skill or talent to firstly receive a nomination, to win a nomination, and finally defeat their opponent to win office.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Oh agree completely - He's a pretty good con artist and nothing else.

    They aren't skills to be admired or desired but they have to be acknowledged, as understanding how he does what he does is an important part of beating him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,312 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yeah but that's not really why he got elected and retains a base of tens of millions of people.

    Ultimately, he is in tune with what a lot of Americans are thinking, particularly the extremely religious and/or poorly educated. @Quin_Dub said earlier that there are studies that link extreme religiosity with underdevelopment in regions of the brain associated with critical. Without having seen links, I would say that this is almost certainly true.

    In the early twentieth century, the US was fairly equal in economic terms. In the thirties, they got the New Deal from FDR and under Johnson they got the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society Reforms. The problem is that these Antitrust and pro-equality measures attracted condemnation from conservative and business circles. In 1971, Lewis Powell, a soon to be Supreme Court Justice, issued the "Powell memo", a call to arms to business to organise and defend itself. In academia, there were the Chicago School economists like Milton Friedman arguing for libertarian economics, ie business should be allowed to do as it pleases. Reagan then went on to win two terms and enact what we would now call a neoliberal agenda.

    American conservatism is a hybrid offering of social conservatism for the working and middle classes mixed with an economically libertarian package for the wealthy and corporations. The poors get austerity, racism and family values while the rich get low taxes and business gets that along with cuts in regulation.

    Conservatives' greatest trick has been to phrase everything in binary, simple rhetoric. Trump has learned this lesson well. He uses simple words and analogies, picks simple enemies and always keeps his base fired up. All the while, he's rinsing them and all the while they fail to notice it. Obviously, that's where the intelligence ends. All Trump really did was to drop the facade of decency you'd expect from Republicans like Marco Rubio or Mitt Romney. He's still reaping insane rewards for virtually nothing. And all the while, Americans still don't ask questions.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The GOP lean into the American idea of extreme individualism and their particular flavour of protestantism to sell that story..

    "Yes , you are dirt poor today but you could become a millionaire/billionaire , if you work extra hard and pray extra hard, and when you get there you'll get all the benefits that the rich are getting today"

    Until then , let's make sure you blame the "others" and not the rich for how utterly sh!t your life is right now.

    And if you don't get there , it's all your own fault - you didn't work/pray quite hard enough…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,464 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    This the sort of smooth brained individual that he appeals to.. zero critical thinking skills, easily conned. And there's millions of them.

    Archive version

    https://archive.ph/ki0cB
    Post edited by For Forks Sake on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,146 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    The core of your argument is that he was elected twice…do you think that means he is intelligent? He also lost an election…funny that you don't mention that one.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Untitled Image

    If you looked at this picture , who would you think is being honoured here?

    Trump?

    One of the 5 dudes standing next to him?

    Or might it be the 11 members of the championship winning Georgia womens tennis team squeezed into the back of the photo??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭swampgas


    The fact that a patently unfit-for-office grifter like Trump got elected as President says as much about the US, it's culture, it's archaic electoral system, and its toxic showbiz-as-politics political system as it does about the man himself. Getting elected when you have the backing of a billionaire driven media, and have corrupt SuperPACs funnelling money into your campaign, isn't the great achievement some people would like to portray it to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Rory McIroy 2nd from right for winning consecutive masters…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Surely you need to look at those who voted for him (three times), as described in the other posts above. I'm not sure I would use the word 'moron' myself, but two things can be true at the same time. It is possible to convince or manipulate those with limited critical faculties, whilst not being overburdened intellectually yourself. Guile and brass neck are certainly required and more applicable, and he certainly has both of those in spades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    America needs much stronger guardrails to stop sleazebags like Trump from becoming president. A few more of these and the country will go bust. It’s already in serious trouble on the debt front, a problem that could suddenly explode.

    As to Trump’s talents I would say: dreadful entrepreneur, accomplished salesman, excellent criminal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Maybe it’s just my ignorance but I’ve been surprised how well the Iranian regime has communicated its message in this war. Some brilliant zingers. What a waste of talent. Iran could be an economic powerhouse.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What Trump exposed was that the "guardrails" they all spoke of and the magical "3 independent branches of Government" were all basically just guidelines that it was assumed a decent person would adhere to.

    When Trump just started to do what he wanted and simply ignore the rules , they have realised that they actually don't have ANY controls to stop a belligerent amoral thug doing whatever they want.

    The "founding fathers" just thought that the President would always be a "gentleman".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭bog master


    A new kind of grift, from "only the best"

    Hmmm, could be something Melania should look into?

    A Department of Homeland Security deputy assistant secretary for counterterrorism has been accused of picking up men on a sugar daddy website.

    Julia Varvaro, 29, allegedly had a profile on Seeking.com, a site that is often used by young, attractive singles looking for older, wealthier partners to help fund their luxury lifestyles, according to the Daily Mail

    .

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-donald-trump-terror-official-julia-varvaro-exposed-on-sugar-daddy-site/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Guy in the left is like a 3D printed "stonks" meme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭BettyS


    not to be cruel, but I have found that the people to get indoctrinated are usually the kind of people who see themselves as very clever but are actually a lot more limited than they realise. They often have a major chip on their shoulder about the whole academic system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭Economics101


    It's not just that Trump is or is not a moron: it's more a question of how many of the nearly 80million who voted for him in 2024 are morons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Just received this from Degiro 😅

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,957 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Fully expecting a 1984 attempt in the coming weeks of trump just pulling back and saying "war? what war? we were never at war"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,146 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He really is the idiots vision of a strongman.



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