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Best Electricity Plan for new EV Owners

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  • #6392
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,937 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    If you have solar and a battery though and use it properly (i.e. appropriate discharge times in the darker months), the peak rate should be almost irrelevant. I got a battery for in my existing solar install near the end of June last year and in the 9 billed months since then I used around 33kWh of peak energy only, out of a total of over 5500 kWh used from the grid. Definitely worth bearing in mind, but I wouldn't let that part of the rate dictate things.



  • #6393
    Dr Robert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124401437#Comment_124401437

    True, but your battery bank will need to to be a decent size to get through to that peak time in winter if you have even average usage.

    Most people won't have that capacity.

    Peak rates are a money grab imo. I avoid any plan with them. Pinergy all the way, for now anyway.

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  • #6394
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,560 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I can't see how those high day rates are economical. There must a tipping point where % of their usage is in the night rate to offset a high day rate.

    For me (no battery or solar) those low EV plans aren't economical at all.



  • #6395
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,937 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124401505#Comment_124401505

    I have only a 5kW battery. In winter I start battery discharge just before the start of the peak time and it covers nearly all of it. Our home is fully electric (cooking, heating) so if you are aware of when to change the settings for different times of the years the high peak rate can be mostly avoided. For those without any battery storage though, that 2 hour peak rate can be a killer.



  • #6396
    Dr Robert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124401587#Comment_124401587

    Ok, I just let mine discharge as soon as the charge window is over. The plan is to upgrade current bank to at least 16kWh (currently 6kWh usable) and then it'll cover the 21hrs in winter outside of the 5c rate.

    If a heat pump is added to the mix then the battery may need to be even bigger, but one step at a time!

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  • #6397
    Ballylad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Ballylad


    I have an off grid carport tied to 70kw battery,8kw inverter and 8.5kw panels, Zappi to charge my 2 evs , of course not much good in winter months, thinking of charging it on night rate for winter months through generator input of inverter as sometimes there is not enough charge time to fill both cars on house night rate (when off grid carport has no output)(high mileage commuters), House has 10kw of panels with 20kw battery, Zappi, plan is to add another 30kw to cover all of day rate demand in winter, not cheap but at these high day rates, it's worth it. Anyone else have anything similar or different approach?



  • #6398
    Rulmeq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭Rulmeq


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124401846#Comment_124401846

    With what you're doing, can you consider a 3 phase supply and replace the car chargers so you can charge them faster? Be no more expensive than a generator (probably easier to integrate as well).



  • #6399
    Ballylad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Ballylad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124401989#Comment_124401989

    might be worth a look Thnks



  • #6400
    Izy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Izy


    Something to keep an eye on when you are switching providers is your “Standing charge” for your bill

    I live in the country so “Rural” applies to my smart meter and the best Electric Ireland plan has a annual standing charge of €400, which is €85 more than the next best plan and basically removes any savings from the actual unit pricing



  • #6401
    evftw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭evftw


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124401846#Comment_124401846

    Top marks for the out of box thinking.



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  • #6402
    CoBo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,805 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124406236#Comment_124406236

    A site like energypal.ie takes all these things into consideration.



  • #6403
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124397776#Comment_124397776

    I just checked my rates I don't have a smart meter and the unit rate incl vat I am being charged is €0.34 per unit.



  • #6404
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Ouch.



  • #6405
    CoBo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,805 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124411309#Comment_124411309

    That's scaldy🥴



  • #6406
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    You might still be making a saving if vegetable oil is 20-30c per litre cheaper than diesel though. Worth looking into?



  • #6407
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124412270#Comment_124412270

    who is looking to make savings? what has vegtable oil got to to with it? 🤡



  • #6408
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Isn't everyone? I mean, there might be alternatives to diesel if you're not ready to switch to electric?



  • #6409
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,045 ✭✭✭✭josip


    My sister needs to change electricity provider and as usual I've been given the job.

    She has a Ford PHEV (her choice not mine) that takes 6-7 hours every night to charge at 3.something kW. The most suitable plan I can find for here is Eirtricity's 6 hour overnight rate ono Smart EV Max. The only problem is that she's already with Eirtricity so how much of the 20% discount will they give her to retain her? It's the difference between 13.86c and 17.33c per minute.

    Are there other any electricity providers offering a 5+ hour cheap overnight window? Most seem to offer 2-3 hours.

    Post edited by josip on


  • #6410
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,078 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124423428#Comment_124423428

    Is the car limited to 3.3kW charging? And does she need more than 10kWh every day?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #6411
    CoBo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,805 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124423428#Comment_124423428

    What size battery does it have? It's hardly a 21kw battery? Just because there's a phev in the house it doesn't automatically take priority over what electricity plan she needs to get. Is there any chance you can get her data file from esbn and upload it to energypal? That would give you a better idea of what her consumption pattern is like.



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  • #6412
    CoBo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,805 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124423639#Comment_124423639

    Most phev's are limited to 3kw, the newer VAG system supports 7kw AC and up to 50kw DC, I think the Tucson phev has 7kw AC too I'm not sure if it has DC charging.



  • #6413
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,045 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It's a Kuga with a 14.4 kWh battery and she's charging from a domestic socket which is why it takes 6-7 hours. The Kuga can charge at a max of 3.7kW so the cba for a charger wasn't as obvious as for a 7.4 kW BEV. She's getting a 10kWh domestic battery soon also which will need replenishing overnight. She's not the kind to actively squeeze every last kWh out of a short window and I have no intention of being enrolled for that job. So it will be easier for both of us if I can find a 5/6 hour low rate plan in which she can comfortably get what she needs charged.

    I understand that getting her usage data would give better insights, but typing a few ceists on Boards and having a quick scour of the internet for rates is about as much as I'll do. The more effort I put in now, the more I'll be expected to provide support on an ongoing basis afterwards.



  • #6414
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124423707#Comment_124423707

    Flogas day/night tariff like the BWG deal might suit ?



  • #6415
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    It's not the best on the market anymore though.



  • #6416
    CoBo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,805 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124423707#Comment_124423707

    Does she have a smart meter or the old type D/N meter? I'm not being smart but it's really a terrible time to be looking for any kind of a plan, the discounts are brutal.



  • #6417
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,045 ✭✭✭✭josip


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124423762#Comment_124423762

    She has a smart meter and she's getting 10kWp of panels with the battery. I think she's on a standard Airtricity rate of 27c for every unit at any time of the day at the moment.



  • #6418
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124423748#Comment_124423748

    Who’s currently cheaper for day/night ?



  • #6419
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Energia non-smart D/N at 32.73 / 15.69 incl. VAT was available on Friday gone.

    Haven't been able to take out a Flogas BWG plan for nearly a year now.



  • #6420
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124423875#Comment_124423875

    Sounds like a lot of customers on the BWG deal are going to be in for a shock in 6 months time. Time to reconsider investing in solar PV.



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  • #6421
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    The lucky ones signed up during early/mid Feb this year, after that it was a bit of a lottery. Energia closed ranks fairly quickly and their "discounts" started diminishing by the week since early March.



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