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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Warning in Post #8023**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Alfaguy


    Is this the your most controversial opinion thread or the things that annoy you the most thread - seems to have slipped into the same thing - mods might want to merge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    I'm not crazy about the tactics, but I can see where they're coming from. The costs of fuel and running a farm in general are absolutely astronomical, and there's some right bollox being spouted here. Just start a new business. With what funding and time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    what about all the EU grant money farmers get? they have land they can sell that most of them never even had to buy, they got it from daddy or another relative or neighbour.

    say I have a lorry driving business and I feel it isnt viable anymore, ok so I sell the lorry and start a new business and the time you mentioned, well now that the have given up on driving a lorry, they can invest that time in the new business.

    I grew up in the '30s with an unemployed father. He didn't riot. He got on his bike and looked for work, and he kept looking till he found it.

    Post edited by pgj2015 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I think Trump is right to tackle Iran finally .. They have been linked to or directly behind nearly all terrorist attacks in the West for years . And one thing can NEVER happen is them getting a nuke or more probably a ' dirty ' bomb. Don't get blinded that he such an unsavoury character . He is not the power behind it , merely a mouth piece .

    Post edited by cj maxx on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Israel are behind it, an even more dangerous Country to have nukes. You cant really blame Iran for wanting nukes when they have to to defend themselves from Israel (with an evil psychopath leader) and America with a crazy man in charge of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    No. Israel won't launch a pre-emptive strike , Iran will . I am no lover of Israel and their ethnic cleansing but Iran is a complete totalitarian basket case of a regime . And would without doubt launch a nuke if they get one . Getting Iran out of the way will only be good for Palestinians .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Israel would if they thought Iran were about to launch a huge attack, Trump is a lunatic who has moved the world closer to world war 3, he has shown other countries why having nukes is important



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    So the mutual destruction argument . Israel is fascist state no doubt . But Iran and its islamist leadership are bursting to attack the west . We've already seen they will attack any state who aren't party to their mad ambitions and the Shia / sunni divide just adds to it . And I think Trump got a dressing down from Putin that is fueling alot of this



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Why should they have to sell their land? You do realise that without the land, a farmer can't make a profit? Sure, if that was the case, they could sell a few cows to turn a quick buck!

    And you're telling me that people should resort to selling the roof over their head, possibly their only asset, in times of financial hardship..Ok, so you go first..

    The people who are protesting aren't looking for something for nothing. These are the self employed who probably work 12 hour days, in the case of farmers 7 days a week. It's not from their lack of hard grind or bad financial planning that they are currently in financial limbo. It's the cost of their biggest expenditure that's crippling them.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Anyone who actually thinks comfortable farmers are going out protesting (possibly law breaking) just to squeeze a bit extra out must really be lapping up whatever the government serves up.

    The people protesting are no different from the general population (apart from maybe being harder working) and just think about all the responsibility of running a business compared to collecting a salary. What would drive your average office worker to go on strike? Nobody is going to do it on a whim. This isn't your something to do on a Saturday afternoon protest.

    Does the Irish government want us to be more dependent on them? Yes I think so. Does it want us to be more dependent on them for food? Yes, I think so.

    All the signs are over the last decades that the EU want citizens to be utterly dependent and therefore less willing and able to rise up against anything.

    I've never protested by the way. I'm a sheep too. But you can see what's going on and it does make you sick how those in power use and manipulate people and turn us against each other and have us focusing on anything except the point itself.

    If you disagree with the fundamental argument of protesters then fair enough. If you disagree because of being stuck in traffic or the style of this peaceful protest, or because of one incident or something then that says a lot and it says you are lapping up whatever the government is feeding you.

    (When I say 'you' I'm not referring to the poster quoted, just in general - I'm agreeing with the quote above)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    So you're a trucker who is not making money due to increased expenses. So you sell your lorry and are now unemployed . All your saved cash is keeping you , and your family afloat until it runs out and you're now on the dole . And you say you'll just start another business ? . With what ? Where are you getting the premises for your new business , or are you working from home which is now being sold for defaulting on you're mortgage . Sell your and the children's clothes on vented, keeping only school uniforms . They say attack the post not the poster and this post is one of the stupidest I've seen good .luck with that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    The lads who are out protesting would be better off getting a state job or get a job in the private sector if they think business isnt for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭89897


    Ah here, people that have spent 20-30 years doing a manual job can just up and walk into a desk job in a completely different sector! For a successful business owner a little critical thinking wouldnt go amiss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Stop being silly and dishonest.

    I get how frustrating the protests and blockades are, but that doesn't make their grievances invalid. The costs they're expected to meet are obscene. They are providing food for the population - they should be appreciated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. What makes their grievances invalid is the notion that a tiny country on the periphery of Europe can somehow affect the global oil price.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't think they were protesting to bring down the cost of global oil. Where did you see them say that's what they were protesting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Self employed people have lots of skills and experience that can be useful for many employers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭89897


    Oh course they do but you dont and cant in reality just pivot like that. Not to mention the psychological shift on a farmer or haulier. Its the case in almost all sectors and to think otherwise is very ill informed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    They're not protesting because the business isn't for them. They're protesting so they can continue the business of transporting food/feed/supplies across our network.

    As I said they're not looking for something for nothing or a free ride.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Plenty of logistics companies seeking HGV drivers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    You do know that logistics companies were also involved in the protest?

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Didnt see any vehicles from the big hitters in this industry on any of the protests. Which ones wete involved? Want to make sure they get no business from anyone I know going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    You can do your own research by looking at the media images from motorways last week. I live 20 minutes from one of the sites and could provide you with the (large) company that participated near me but

    I won't be helping anyone boycott any businesses.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭cms88


    Helen McEntee pulling the sexiest card. At what point will it be called for what it is that she's only where she is because of who she is and not because she's actually suited for any sort of public job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Well there are incompetent male politicians too. I don't know if she is where she is simply because of being female.

    Criticism of her because she's rubbish at what she does, isn't sexism, but criticism of it being due to her sex... is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Flynn deserves all the pushback she is getting online.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell




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