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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    https://share.google/9mT54pG4n54X2sIdI

    The head line is pure clickbait - but the article is more interesting - bear in mind that this is a survey of exactly 1 turbine in Scotland.. so dont extrapolate too much ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    AI written drivel that contributes nothing to any discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    you skipped on the little matter of cost

    It would costs hundreds of billions to completely replace gas with battery or hydro backup especially since we get weeks of little to no wind, like this week

    You are welcome to offer costing to backup your statement as I’ve been asking several times in parallel thread



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Meanwhile in the real world, renewables continue to grow. 49% of electricity generated by renewables in March, a new record and just short of 50%!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2026/0413/1568001-49-of-electricity-came-from-renewables-in-march-eirgrid/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Go figure. Effectively ban everything but wind with gas as reinforcement and that is what you get. That is stacked deck of cards you are playing with



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    At least he's playing with a full deck lol 😆 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    is that why electricity prices rising again here and in the real world?

    While rainforests are being chopped down to fudge and greenwash figures

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/26/biomass-carbon-climate-politics-477620

    While in real world producing 5x CO2 of Finland and 15x of France today per each kWh

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    We have until 2050 to replace fossil gas emissions.

    We've been using biogas since 2019

    The 2030 target is 5.7 TW. That's about ~3TWh of electricity so close to months worth of electrical demand. Or rather more because there's also Biomass , CHP, waste to energy , hydro , imports and solar , and fossil gas which we can use in reducing amounts until 2059.

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    This week. If we had twice the SNSP sources we currently have then we'd have only needed gas for the dips below 50% and even then only what couldn't be produced from storage or the other sources on the grid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Shouldn’t be too hard then to come up with battery or hydro storage figures eh?

    So far I have 122 Turlough hills at about 60bn to fill the gap for last 48 hours which we filled with gas and imports



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭tppytoppy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    We have been having multiple Brownouts recently . The latest had the grid running at 80volts for about 2 minutes before the fault was detected by the Esb and cutover. Blackout lasted about 4 hours. There was some bad nosies coming from various plant and equipment in the house during the brownout. When fault appeared on Esb it was at closest substation and affected a couple of thousand customers.

    I'm wondering what is the most likely reason for these brownouts. I suspect since we are just gone into a period of high pressure, wind isnt blowing and grid is struggling to meet base load. We are in area plastered with turbines and no power stations.

    What's the best way to protect equipment? Thinking UPS and what's involved in getting fitted. Would just need for a couple of mins so things like my home server can shut down gracefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Absolutely nothing to do with renewable energy. It's either a fault at the substation, or you’ve got an upstream (closer to the substation) neighbour who's grossly overloading the supply: this happens a lot in rural areas where people try to run industrial loads on a domestic supply. ESB Networks are usually pretty good at fixing their own infrastructure, but customers overloading a domestic supply can be a persistent problem if they don’t change their behaviour or upgrade to an industrial supply.

    For your home server, a small UPS is all that's necessary - graceful shutdown should take about 30 seconds to 1 minute - spinning disks were traditionally the main cause of corruption on power-out, but modern SSD-equipped systems are much more resilient. For an outage of up to 6 hours, your freezer will be absolutely fine; beyond 12 is when you need to start throwing stuff out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    Would a grid drop from 230v to 80v be a symptom of an overloaded supply? That was the reading on my inverter for a few minutes while the Brownout occurred until cutover to blackout from the substation. It happened around 9pm so Solar is out of the question and since we are in high pressure weather wise the turbines aren't producing. Supply wise It would be surprising if someone upstream in our area decided to fire up a bunch of diesel generators randomly but ya on the load side maybe there is dairy farms on residential supply's causing supply issues. I'd be interested to see load figures on the grid around the time it was occurring if that is available publicly

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,044 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Maybe someone mining a bit of crypto :) ?

    In our case years ago, it was a farmer running the milking parlour off single phase.

    Post edited by josip on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Yes, low voltage is a symptom of overloaded supply. Power, resistance (the load), voltage and current are all linked. If you try to draw too much current from a supply, its voltage will drop - that's as true of a 1.5 volt battery as a 120 kV link. When I say “overloading” the supply, I don’t mean putting voltage onto the line; I mean drawing more current from the line than the supply can provide. So it wouldn’t be a neighbour turning on generators, but it could be a neighbour with some kind of machinery that is faulty, or drawing too much power. (A neighbour of a family member was running a busy arc-welding and cutting workshop off a single-phase domestic supply, which was great fun for everyone further away from the substation - it took years to get them to sign up for a three-phase industrial supply).

    But I still don’t understand why you keep coming back to solar or wind power as the cause, especially when you also said ESB are reporting a fault at the substation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    Trying to understand if low voltage is a symptom of over supply or under supply.

    Was thinking we could rule out over supply (pv or wind generation on the grid to the substation ) so when it's undersupply it's more than likely what you have described rather than a particular substation being under supplied from the high voltage transmission lines to the substation itself. It's probably happening downstream of the substation like you said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,044 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Not sure if this should go here or in a Renewables thread.

    Obviously quite a bit of solar today, but I'm more interested in a couple of things we can see on the Demand graph and not the Utility Solar.

    https://www.eirgrid.ie/grid/real-time-system-information

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    The first one occurs at 2:15 where the demand jumps from 4101 to 4230 GW. Many EV electricity plan windows start at 2am and I believe that spike is the nation topping up its domestic batteries.

    Peak morning demand was at 8:15 and was 5456 GW. During the day it has dropped to 4371 GW at 14:00. Most of that is due to domestic solar. That is a seriously impressive dip.

    On sunless days, the drop from morning peak to mid afternoon is in the region of 150-200 GW

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    so on a day like today it's not unreasonable to estimate that 900 MW is being generated domestically. SEAI have said that domestic solar applications doubled yoy in March so the overnight trough will soon disappear and the early afternoon trough will be even more significant on sunny days.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Construction underway on €80m biomethane plant in Cork - Agriland.ie https://share.google/7uYP8UYIXUW5SBOhR

    I was a bit surprised that they put it in little island , its not exactly nestled in the centre of livestock farmland , ( although its next to dunkettle and just off the n25 )

    But when i read further its more about food waste and green bin waste -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    P=VI

    If power is constant and current is increased, V must be smaller.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    While it hasn’t been officially confirmed yet, it looks like we broke the Solar generation record today, over 1GW of solar generation, 1,187MW to be precise.

    That is over 1/4th of current demand and note it doesn’t include residential solar generation which is estimated at about another 1GW.

    All pretty remarkable and given how cheap, quick and easy solar is to install, we will likely quickly see a whole lot more of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭fael


    Not sure how accurate the data on the Eirgrid Dashboard is, but 5 minutes after you posted that was improved to 1223 MW.
    Pretty impressive for April!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭medoc


    it’s a pity the dashboard can’t give more detail like the uk equivalent. While it now at least splits the renewables into solar and wind on seperate tabs it’s a pity they couldn’t break down the mix a bit better. Batteries (charging or discharging) biomass, hydro, pumped hydro (generating or pumping) etc.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    UK getting very little wind. But solar is outproducing all other UK generators.

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    Gas down to 1.6GW (5%) which sounds like spinning reserve and local voltage stability territory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,044 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Is the EWIC interconnector out of action at the moment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,491 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    carefully with the dashboard, you might be comparing Ireland wih the All Island view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭fael


    That's true. Both bk and my post are regarding all island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    Celtic Interconnector delayed until 2028, deepening energy concerns https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41835056.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    ”40-43% of Ireland's electricity comes from gas”. I don’t believe this figure counts the gas that is burnt in the UK and turned into electricity there, but then it’s hard to argue that we’re only importing the watts produced from UK gas plants, rather than from their wind, hydro or nuclear generations.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, The record for All Island has now topped 1GW (1,083MW), the record for Ireland stands at 983MW, though looking at forecasted solar, it is likely going to be weeks if not days before just Ireland also breaks 1GW.

    Well GB already has a cleaner grid then us, so anything imported would be a net positive. GB averaged 26.7% gas last year, 17.3% last week and it is just 4.9% today!!

    Of course GB also tends to import over interconnectors, but then the French and Norwegian ones are way less carbon intensive being mostly Nuclear and Hydro. Denmark pretty good too. Belgium and Netherlands are closer to the UK one being slightly lower and the other slightly higher, but they don’t use them much compared to France.

    Last year GB imported more from Norway alone then they exported to Ireland and multiple times that from France. Last year the carbon intensity of the imports over the interconnectors from GB was estimated at 177g CO2/kWh versus 301g CO2/kWh for Ireland, so while of course gas plays a part of that mix, overall such imports are a net benefit. If I’m reading the numbers correctly and doing the maths right, then including the amount of gas used in the UK in their mix, then our gas usage increases to about 44.5% last year. But also the percentage of renewables would also increase (and Nuclear) as the UK has more of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Thanks @bk for the sums that I didn't have time to do :)

    Don't get me wrong, I'm happily surprised that the gas share has dropped below 50%.. with luck we can drive it down further to the point where gas prices will only rarely set the wholesale price of energy.



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