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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭antfin


    A bit premature to be speculating on a central contract at this stage maybe? Let the lad build up some game time and see how he progresses and whether he can actually lock down a starting international spot for a couple of years before that comes into the picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Physically he is something Ireland have never had before. I don't think locking in someone of his capability is premature



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭antfin


    It comes down to whether Munster can a) afford it; and b) whether he can stay injury free to warrant taking the risk of locking in a higher paying central contract. I think he needs to build a bit of consistent playing time at the highest level, not even just internation but just consistently starting a few Champions Cup games, before a central contract comes into consideration. It might take a bit of luck with injuries to others for Ireland but he needs a bit of time.

    If you compare to someone like James Ryan, for example, a lock who got a central contract when he was quite young at 23. He got his central contract in 2020 having started playing for Ireland off the bench in 2017 and then started almost every 6 Nations game and every other match of importance for Ireland for the next 3 seasons before he got a central contract. That's on top of starting in and winning European Cup finals and URC finals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    Joe Mc would be a good comparison also

    Debut in 22, played AI & 6nations along with CC final for zeinster in 24.

    He got a CC in 25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭antfin


    I think retention can be achieved through a Munster contract initially until he proves himself. Central contracts aren't usually used in anticipation of a player turning out well. They usually have to become regular starters before they get them. He's had two Champions Cup starts and 2 games off the bench, along with one appearance off the bench for Ireland. He could force his way in before the next RWC, there's plenty of time and Joe McCarthy has become a bit inconsistent the last while. If he forces his way into the Ireland setup during 2026/27 and gets consistent starts then he could very well get a central contract for 2027 or 2028 but in almost all cases he'd need to be starting for Ireland consistently.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,403 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    He's obviously holding out for more Munster money, not irfu money.

    Kleyn is away next season which will free up a decent wedge and munster most likely cannot commit that level of wage to edogbo right now, but can next season, thus the one year extension.

    Post edited by sydthebeat on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    who were the locks that were on central contracts already?

    there were definitely a few incumbents. Henderson, Toner at least..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭antfin


    I believe Henderson's central contract expired in 2025. I think Toner had one 2 year central contract but that was probably 10 years ago at this shage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,880 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Joe Mc getting three years was a mad move



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭antfin


    Given the nature of the game, I don't think three year central contracts should ever be handed out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    paper… ink… etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    or maybe some people think employing someone with a questionable history isnt a great idea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Not just “some people” btw, experienced business people giving their time and expertise voluntarily to help Munster in their commercial activities which, frankly, they’ve always been terrible at.

    I don’t know exactly what the CAG does but my guess is that “don’t create bad publicity that could alienate sponsors and fans, especially in an area of major sensitivity for Irish rugby” might be the sort of advice they’d give, if asked. Ah well.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    That maybe so, but resignations from a voluntary board that meets once a quarter and seems to have actually done sweet fück all for Munsters commercial activities over the last 13 years isn't exactly the news that O'Connor is trying to make it.

    And as it's voluntary, they're not resignations at Munster either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Did ROC cover it when Woody left it, he did in his hole because it didn't matter, now he's making it out to be newsworthy. He doesn't even name them and I bet he doesn't know who else is on the group.

    The only interest he has in MR is clicks for his articles and his fan base will give him loads of those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i dont disagree, i was just responding to the implication from the other poster that it was motivated by the decision being made without them, whereas i think it is as, if not more, likely to be because of the allegations

    im not a fan of his at all but i do think its fair enough that hes reported on this, its continued fallout from a fairly monumental f##k up in appointing RR so it makes sense. no idea if specifically ROC reported when Wood resigned but i definitely heard it being mentioned in the media, although i used to listen to KW on off the ball at the time so maybe thats where im getting that from



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Keith Wood stopped doing regular OTB appearances because of family and business commitments a few years ago. Not sure if this is linked.

    He opened a business in 2018 which could easily explain his departure which was likely for personal reasons? Thats not newsworthy. Its normal for people in voluntary roles to step down to prioritise their own business/family.

    People walking away from the PGB because of what happened, and if the CAG people are leaving for the same reason(s) then I think Munster fans should stop being concerned about what ROC writes and maybe be a bit more concerned about the mess their club seems to be in.

    Is the MRSC run by volunteers? How many are female? What if they all walked away tomorrow for example? What happens then?

    The BOI CEO in 2018 was female, and she wrote to Ulster and IRFU after the PJ/SO trial to "formally convey serious concerns"

    What if the CAG did likewise with Ian Flanagan, told him the RR appointment was was not a positive move commercially, and he told them were to go because the deal is done?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    Nearly a week on & not a word out of Flanagan or Costello re all of this.

    Classic lets see what way the wind blows.

    Wheather you agree or disagree with the RR appointment just ask do you think RR would have been hired if Garrett Fit,Jerry Holland or Kidney we still at the club?

    We are v badly run & that the fact that the fallout/silence & debate of hiring this guy rumbles on shows that in spades.

    There needs to be changes at the top level as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    mad indeed! though Robbie Henshaw getting a CC in an area of strength for both Leinster and Ireland is the definition of………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    Listening to The Counter Ruck Podcast on the way to work this morning. Good chat about about the Ulster/Leinster/Connacht games. Was looking forward to their take on a decent away win for Munster, but, bar a fleeting mention of the win/who they have to play yet, Gordon D'arcy was just keen to go on about the off field stuff. Nathan Johns tried to steer him back on field but Darce wasn't for turning. I know it's a hot topic, but would have loved a bit of actual Munster rugby chat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Calvin Nash signs on for two more years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭VayNiice


    You mean the B&I lion and consistent Irish starting lock Joe Mc?

    Just as big, better and far less injury prone than Edogbo. Why wouldn't they offer him a 3 year central contract at his age?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I've stopped listening a long time ago. I also try my very best to avoid The D'Orce column, but it's really hard to miss! They are half a page, a big photo and cringe-worthy quote in bold!

    The more pertinent question is not what happens next, but how Munster got here. It is worth pausing on that ownership model, because it matters.😔

    or the week before

    Confidence represents a fuel source for the individual and the team, one that drives success in all its forms, whether it is accomplished performances or the ultimate collective goal, winning trophies.

    Tomorrows column will have a tonne of little business 'self-help' snippets crow-barred in all over the page.

    Give me Zebo any day over him. And Zebo can be hard on my ears!

    As ever I recommend Kinsella in The42.

    Rugby:

    https://www.the42.ie/munster-benetton-analysis-7018416-Apr2026/

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    But Crowley slows his feet and reaches out towards the ball, getting his hands on it as early as possible, then smoothly gets it across his body to beat Menoncello’s linespeed.

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    With Benetton right wing Louis Lynagh having set up close to the lineout for what he presumes will be an exit play, likely requiring a kick chase from him, there is no one sweeping in the backfield.

    That means that Munster centre Alex Nankivell has a clear 3-on-2 on the edge that is a genuine try-scoring chance.

    And Nankivell exploits it perfectly, dummying a short pass to Tom Farrell that further lures Benetton fullback Matt Gallagher upfield.

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    There is space for Nash but it still takes speed and poise to finish. Benetton out-half Jacob Umaga is chasing across but Nash gets airborne before he can make contact and finishes beyond Umaga.

    It’s a ruthless score for Munster in the seventh minute off a Benetton error.

    After their terrible first half against Exeter, it’s just the start Munster wanted. And then they did something that has been a struggle for them in recent months.

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    Despite Umaga looking to fill the passing channel, Crowley backs himself to get the ball across him to Nankivell.

    The Munster out-half doesn’t take any forward steps this time, simply standing and ripping his pass with as much velocity as he can generate.

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    Crowley’s pass beats Umaga and gives Nankivell time and space.

    The Munster centre takes full advantage again as he fends his way past exposed Benetton second row Federico Ruzza, draws up Gallagher, and frees Farrell.

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    Benetton did still manage eight linebreaks but defence coach Denis Leamy surely enjoyed the intent and physicality he saw at other stages, with Munster landing plenty of dominant tackles and winning five breakdown turnovers.

    In this instance, blindside flanker Tom Ahern pounces on the dislodged ball and we get a sense of the freedom Munster are playing with at this stage of the game.

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    There’s knock-on advantage in play, of course, but it’s a lovely bit of skill from Ahern as he scoops up the ball and flings it straight out the back with his right hand, finding Coombes.

    Coombes passes to Nankivell, who lights up once again.

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    As well as making the dancing break through a bunch of Benetton forwards, Nankivell has the acceleration to go clear, then the strength to stay on his feet as he meets contact on the 22-metre line.

    That allows Ahern, Coombes, and Lee Barron time to get to him and clearout, with Casey then finding Nash in plenty of space close to the touchline for further gains.

    Coombes shows his handling skill with a deft tip-in pass on the next phase.

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    Once again, the Munster pass beats an onrushing Benetton defender and allows them to continue playing on top of the defence.

    The returning Oli Jager is next onto the ball and plays a smooth sweep pass out the back for Crowley, whose own catch-pass is rapid again.

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    Nankivell decides not to move the ball wide, ducking back in to carry.

    But Munster strike the killer blow on the next phase.

    It’s captain Tadhg Beirne who connects with Casey for a nice finish.

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    Munster certainly still have plenty of hard work to do in the coming weeks and the real job is to build on this win, finally delivering far more consistency in a season that has lacked it.

    But after a tumultuous few weeks for the province, Saturday night in Treviso must have felt good.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Ulster rugby have just posted a possible season defining injury list…

    "Angus Bell (foot), Scott Wilson (ankle), Tom O'Toole (hand), James Hume (neck), Jude Postlethwaite (hand) and Bryn Ward (shoulder) all suffered injuries that leaves them unavailable for this week's fixture.

    Nick Timoney (hip), James McNabney (knee), Rob Herring (calf), Robert Baloucoune (elbow), Rory McGuire (shoulder), Stewart Moore (knee) remain on the current injured players list and are also unavailable for selection."

    Get well soon folks, the URC is worse without them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    kidney was DOR at London Irish when they signed Jackson to be fair



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    Tried to post the video I took from my tv screen, but it doesn’t seem to work. It may be my lack of tech nous or a primitive upload policy. Either way, it was a bullshit call!!😂



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