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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Chirpo123


    There are more opportunities to go to Uni in the UK - in NI there is Queens and Uni Ulster. There is a well trodden path of NI students going to Scotland & England. If they don't get into Ulster Academy there is nothing to keep them in Ulster, so they go to Uni across the water and many don't return.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    There is more opps in UK and i know well about the path to university in UK but it isnt simply if they dont get academy they go to UK. If theyre around that close to pro set up they'll stay

    Anyway playoffs next weekend. hopefully some big crowds at the games



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Chirpo123


    Ok let's say in Ulster there are 50 players leaving the schools who are senior rugby 1st XV standard.

    Maybe 6 of the very best will get Academy, another 6 may hang around and hope they get picked up, another 6 might decide to stay local.

    That's at least 60% of high quality rugby playing school leavers leaving NI & Ulster Rugby clubs each year - now compare that to how many players from the Leinster Schools system flown into the AIL each year compared to how many leave, and then compound that by the fact that the general quality of Leinster schoolboys is higher, it's no wonder the AIL is dominated by Dublin based clubs.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    The numbers of high quality school leavers leaving NI isnt that high and i think you are greatly over estimating the numbers who leave northern ireland who are that close to contention for Ulster/a professional contract. And Leinster clubs are helped hugely by big numbers from Munster/Connacht/rest of leinster playing for them which you havent taken into account



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    next weekends games

    1A semi finals
    Marys v Terenure
    Clontarf v Lansdowne
    1A/1B playoffs
    UCD v Garryowen
    Trinity v Instonians
    1B/2A playoffs
    Shannon v Dungannon
    UCC v Corinthians
    2A/2B playoffs
    Old Crescent v Sligo
    UL Bohs v Clogher Valley
    2C semi finals
    Bective Rangers v Thomond
    Clonmel v Dolphin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    The big eye-opener to me recently was the "boarders" aspect. At lleast one of the Leinster schools doing an amazing job producing players - with not huge student numbers - are all boarders? I'd say that's a significant cultural element?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Templeville Rd full to capacity (4,000+) for the AIL semi between St Mary’s and Terenure.

    This game is being streamed live on Irish Rugby +, with Bernard Jackman (honestly does he ever take a day off?) on Co-comms.

    Clontarf - Lansdowne being live steamed afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    5-3 Mary’s after 20 mins, Mary’s scoring after a maul near the Nure line on virtually their first attack.

    Terenure have a strong breeze behind them and Mary’s have survived a period down to 14, so Mary’s will definitely be the happier side so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    10-5 now to Terenure - Adam La Grue with the try after getting the lucky bounce on a long kick through. Chris Cosgrave got the conversion.

    Worth noting Caspar Gabriel is playing at 15 today despite being named at 10 earlier in the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    12-10 Mary’s coming up to half time, after a well taken try by Conor Dean, converted by Mick O’Gara.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Was in dexcom so didnt see any games. shame the two universities won the 1B playoffs in that its now 7 dublin clubs guaranteed in 1A but a massive extra special colours game in Belfield next week.

    Energia All Ireland League Division 1A Semi-Finals:Clontarf 39,Lansdowne 29;

    St. Mary’s College 20,Terenure College 13;

    Division 1B Semi-Finals:Dublin University 32,Instonians 21;

    U.C.D. 35,Garryowen 24;

    Division 2A Semi-Finals:Shannon 34,Dungannon 22;

    U.C.C. 40,Galway Corinthians 10;

    Division 2B Semi-Finals:Old Crescent 10,Sligo 16;

    U.L. Bohemian 27,Clogher Valley 15;

    Division 2C Semi-Finals:Bective Rangers 21,Thomond 13;

    Clonmel 44,Dolphin 17;



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    To counter the (fairly made) point about the universities, a colours game for a spot in 1A is sure to be an absolute cracker.

    EDIT: Sorry, I see you made that very point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 RugbyAcount222


    Templeville was a monstrous atmosphere yesterday. Always good to beat Terenure.
    We play Clontarf who we have beaten 3 of the last 4 times we’ve played - already beat them twice this season. You’d have to say Mary’s are favourites going into this game.

    UCD beat Garryowen and will face Trinity in a 1A play off. UCD strong favourites going into that, especially how dominant they were over trinity in their colours game. You’d also think that Leinster would offload any available players to UCD to make sure they don’t go down. It would be a disaster for Leinster to have UCD in 1B.

    UCC run riot vs Corinthians, Ger Burke is in overseeing the team for the playoffs. Shannon in good form heading into the game with UCC. They beat Barnhall & Dungannon in recent weeks. I still think UCC will have too much for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    Irish rugby really is becoming Dublin/leinster dominated isn’t it!

    No fault of the the big Dublin clubs and schools, Dublin rugby has really utilised all advantages regarding private schools, funding, facilities, player depth, coaching, players moving to Dublin! It’s a bit of a runaway train but fair dues!!!
    It must be very competitive and a bit of an arms race to sign players from schools and from down the country!
    has anyone any suggestions on how the other provinces try and arrest the slide?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Colours game to decide promotion/ relegation to 1A must be the best AIL match up in years.

    UCD likely to be with a bit too much firepower for Trinity with their Ireland U20s front 5 back. As well as Osborne and the Molon(e)ys.

    Anything can happen on the day though.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Hard to say on how clubs elsewhere go up and stay there. Probably need another Ulster side to go up soon and then a Munster side in time. 5 Dublin. 3 Munster 2 Ulster would be ok split.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You’d imagine Instonians will be up there before long.

    4 promotions in a row stopped by a Trinity team very much coming towards the peak of their cycle.

    I really don’t know where the third Munster club is going to come from. Rugby in Limerick in particular looks to be in dire straits.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Maybe not on Instonians.

    Limerick club rugby isnt in dire straits. Shannon could be back in 1B next season. Garryowen could be in 1A and are at least 1B. So not as bad as youre making out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Only 4 years ago both clubs were in 1A along with Cookies. Since then Shannon have dropped two divisions in a row and Garryowen have yo-yo'ed. Cookies are now essentially mid-table when they would have been challenging for top 4.

    Limerick rugby is going in one direction, and it's not up. Even people involved in rugby in Limerick will tell you the same.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Compared to when the clubs were winning all round of course it was poor but Shannon and Garryowen have turned a corner and Shannon are 1 game away from being back in 1B. If you think Limerick rugby is only going down then you dont have experience of it in recent times and are only reading certain places. overall it has got better and things are being done for the overall success of rugby around the city/province that werent before. Cookies have primarily been a mid table team in division 1 anyway even in the good times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭luke9311


    i dont think personally limerick rugby per say is in dire state or atleast heading that way, that said it wouldn't have the player depth as dublin or leinster clubs simply for a number of reasons like job opportunities universities study opportunities etc etc. But i do think it has enough to survive. i could be way off on this one but i do remember not long ago either last summer or summer before someone else posting about shannon that camp in there wasnt happy hence going down and people not happy with the internal running of the club and how things are handled but on the verge of getting promo this year tides seem to have turned for now. The munster pro game however in i think is a worry if u see recent news but i'll keep that short because that deserves its whole new thread away from ail but your points you make about the clubs in dublin schools system etc etc was in the making for years i think probably only in the making and was a work in progress starting in your munster era that was winning heinken cups under axel howlett etc etc. leinster were probably implimenting a youth program/pathway model in the province as you say amongst the private schools and big clubs in and around then maybe before it but only starting to cherish post recession era and rose since then hence the dominance in the last few years mainly among your tarfs, lansdowne, nures of the top flight ail and the players that dont go on to make pro post sct school cup rugby or leinster youths or underage interpro levels go on to join these clubs when they start college. Leinster just knew it was a numbers game knowing the work done at underage amongst your big clubs and schools will churn out x number of players therefore they have more to pick from but the capital being dublin largest population etc etc does help this model.

    Personally think munster can do this just at a smaller ish scale focusing on rockwells ard scoil munchins castletroy pres cbc etc etc and then focus on clubs also they may not churn out as much players to pick from as leinster but they wouldnt do too bad a job as like i said assuming a few would stay local for work or not apply a UL UCC or other uni's in the province (which isnt always easy of course) a few could also line out for the clubs when there after their leaving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭luke9311


    On another note was personally at in castle avenue at the weekend hard to argue with the result on the day tarf did deserve the win to be fair…. lansdowne did well to keep up to speed with scoreboard wise them but the final 20-25 minutes it just opened up and once they went more than a one score game it began to feel like climbing a mountain. Tarfs winger maher really stood out he is electric but don't know if he will feature this weekend in the final given he was pulled off in the game with a hamstring injury and strapped it heavily on the sideline just depends how bad it is i guess and how quick he recovers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    Hopefully Limerick clubs have stabilised. Maybe a normal is 1 1A, 1 1 1B and maybe 1 yo yoing.

    A long way from the glory days. I am far from an expert but would a lot of players on the team sheets not be from Limerick? Are there a good few lads drafted in from neighbouring counties and lads who have moved to Limerick for university, work, rugby related?

    I think one of Limericks problems is there is so much competition, hurling, GAA, soccer and then rugby itself, so many clubs an schools in Limerick all competing for player talent, coaches, funding etc etc. Depth just simply is not there to sustain so many clubs and schools and sports!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    Something I read on another forum, Munster should have done more in the peak years of 06-08 to get rugby into more schools. There is a very very narrow base to chose from. Zero A schools rugby in Clare, Kerry, Waterford, huge parts of population centres with no schools rugby or a weak rugby base to begin with

    This should have been done a long time ago. Coupled with the Youths/Club game. Munster probably lost out on both fronts - schools rugby and weaker AIL teams have resulted in less talent being produced by Munster. Issues with pro game governance also and this explains why things have gone south!! (both geography and rugby wise!!!!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Congrats to Clontarf & St Marys on their semi-final wins and best of luck to each team for the final. Should be a great game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,833 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You have hurling fans saying the same about Limerick city or football counties but it just isn't that easy to "get" a sport into schools that have ingrained histories with certain sports and people who are going to be hostile to you stealing their players and resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 Limerick-Kid


    Predictions for AIL Finals at the weekend?

    1A Final - St. Marys v Clontarf (St Marys)

    1A/1B Promotion Playoff - UCD v Trinity (UCD)

    1B/2A Promotion Playoff - UCC v Shannon (UCC)

    2A/2B Promotion Playoff - UL Bohs v Sligo (UL Bohs)

    2C Final - Clonmel v Bective (Clonmel)

    WAIL Final - UL Bohs v Blackrock (UL Bohs)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 Limerick-Kid


    There a lot of Limerick and Cork players now playing with 1A and 1B sides in Dublin - job opportunities, college, and retainers a factor.

    There are possibly too many senior clubs in Limerick for the playing population (7) - YM, Garryowen, Shann, UL Bohs, Old Cresc, Bruff, and Thomond - that also affects 21s.

    There are (5) in Cork with twice if not three times the population of Limerick - Cork Con, UCC, Highfield, Midleton and Dolphin



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    You can add Nenagh to some extent for Limerick as its so close and theres plenty over the years whove came out to play there. 8 clubs pulling senior players from same pool.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 Limerick-Kid




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