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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    patience, this oil situation is far from over, humpty dumpty across the pond will make sure of that, he thrives in chaos, so be prepared!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭CatLick


    Anyone would think there was some side hustle arising from market instability 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭17larsson


    So if this war/blockade continues and prices of everything goes through the roof and it kicks off a recession, does that mean prices of houses would drop as well or do they get more expensive along with everything else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Iecrawfc


    I would say property prices are more tied to the cost/availability of credit so if interest rates go up or credit becomes tighter then property prices go down,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Aer lingus along with luftansa and others now actively cutting flights.

    Everyone and every asset class is in for a hosing.

    Nice weather for the next week though, finally get those veg beds finished.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    House prices falling, not a chance they will do whatever it takes to keep house prices higher. More immigrants, fiscal stimulus, QE,lower rates, you name it whatever it takes. The western government's desperately love high house prices as it creates all this fake wealth and covers up their failure to actually run real functioning economies not built of housing bubbles. If anything the ECB is likely to cut rates this year. I will believe it when I see it but everything over the last fews years says more debt/stimulus to try and keep the peasants from rising up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    You can't finance away real material shortages.

    8 decades of US led economic orthodoxy is falling apart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Yes agreed but what other ideas do these numpties have? We all thought the same during covid - demand and supply chain disruption and all they could think of was to pump in money and assets higher, way over doing it, then we had the "inflation is transitory" nonsense. They will likely do the same again if they can get away with it.

    Who knows will Warsh come in and be an uber hawk and blow it up and then we can all stop obsessing over every rate move of the Fed to collapse the whole system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    That’s very funny 5 years into “eastern” Chinese house price bubble crash which makes the Celtic tiger bubble look like peanuts in its scale

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    with debt growing exponentially

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    You've completely missed the reality, there's nothing anyone can do to avoid fuel shortages.

    It's a different crisis to Covid where supply chains remains mostly intact.

    No protest can lessen supply shortages beyond our control. The crisis will spur further diversification away from fossil fuels and towards more alternatives. While the US cancels renewables investment the rest of the world has no option but to embrace investing in renewables.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭CatLick


    Property prices should fall if unemployment rises, people in employment suffer pay cuts and credit becomes harder to obtain. However that doesn't mean that sellers will cooperate. During the post tiger crash a lot of sellers had to do so. This time around maybe not outside of house sales following death of the owner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    @CatLick

    The property bubble was a demographic driven credit bubble, so while sales may soften current valuations will probably stay high in segments like gardened properties.

    COVID really influenced where we are now, a nice garden in a walkable community that's pleasant if going abroad is curtailed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    I was at a mortgage talk with BOI in my job and they did mention likely mortgage rates will go up this year. Not cut!

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭mumo3


    We deal with government contracts in my job, 4 year terms same stuff day in day out, and for the last fortnight we have been receiving calls to review their pricing!! It's bad enough its a race to the bottom on these tenders now they are reviewing their own budgets on contracts that still have a couple of years on them is making me nervous!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,936 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Interest rates will go up as inflation rises. Mortgage rates will rise.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭purplefields


    I found that supply seemed to dry up after the bubble burst. All that was on the market was 'problem property'. Stuff like no percolation area, planning permission problems or other very expensive problems with the property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    I'm reluctant to say what way anything will go as we're in the throws of the post WWII economic consensus falling apart.

    While we're very exposed to the US what biomed/pharma we do export there isn't going decline in demand, despite their attempts to home shore production. Those industries need global markets, and their Irish operations are more vital now after Trump raised tariff frictions.

    I have a relation high up in one of the biomeds whose been asked to possibly go to the US for a few years to help with home shoring, but he is so specialist that there's no shortage of opportunity in Europe and Asia so it's a firm no.

    Half of US phd graduates were educated in other countries, and many are now leaving because of hostile policies.

    A lot of the big US multinationals have become reliant on the publicly funded education systems, like ours, so how can the US debt laden education system even compete?

    Also this morning I've read that the UAE are asking for emergency USD funding, or otherwise they will have to have to sell their oil in Yuan. So while we may suffer fuel supply shocks, I think its the USD zone that will suffer the financial displacement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭CatLick


    Yep, banks will offer payment plans to those who can't continue mortgage payments. They won't move. Those who can afford payments won't move. New house building will stop. So that leaves distressed buy to let and the pigs in pokes. Immigration/emigration levels are the big wildcard. A drop of a few hundred thousand adults will make a fair dent in property demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    and where would all these immigrants be moving to?

    the complexities of our housing market tend to be overly simplified down to supply and demand, this is classic neoclassical thinking, when in fact our reality is far more complex than this over simplification.

    im not convinced house prices will fall, even if there is a recession, theres now enough stimulation in maintaining hyper inflated prices, including institutional and state buying, and then of course theres those record deposits, of which many billions are currently being saved for future purchasing, add all that up, and its very unlikely property pries will be taking a dip anytime soon, no matter what happens, time will tell though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Plus we're now seeing more and more US citizens moving here to escape the chaos at home, which in turn will support house prices. All the EAs in my south area say US buyers are the main customer for detached coastal properties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    China's economy slowing down... which probably means more imbalance in the global economy with more exports. The world can not survive this, especially Europe, tariffs needed before it's too late.

    The Iran War Is Starting to Expose Cracks in China’s Economy

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/27/business/china-economy-iran-war.html

    Car sales fell in March and plunged further in April. Restaurants and hotels are seeing fewer customers as households turn cautious. In southern China, thousands of toy factory workers protested last week after their employer collapsed under rising plastic costs and ongoing tariffs in the United States.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What do you mean tariffs are needed before it's too late ?

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    errr emm, tariffs are actually partly causing the slow down, as this is what they do!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    China collapse narratives seem as recurrent a narrative as the decades old "Iran will get nukes next Tuesday around 4pm".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    To preserve what is left of Europe's industrial base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    it would have the opposite effect, tariffs induce downturns/recessions in modern advanced economies, as they currently and gradually are in the states



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    I suppose if the thread goes on long enough the doomsayers will eventually be right. If there is a recession, Europe will be better equipped to ride it out than others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hard to know, we still have significant levels of debt, particularly in the private domain and heavily dependent on imported energy, so who bloody knows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Ermm go look at the trade deficit with China, it's a huge issue that Europe is going to have to face up to, recession or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "The world cannot survive this" - this entire thread for the past 4 years

    "If I over-focus on bad news enough I can will the end of capitalism into existence" - is another common theme

    Things aren't great right now, but try to contain your excitement we still have a long way to go



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