Nuclear - future for Ireland?

OK, so you ARE moving the goal posts.

Instead of having cheap and green electricity for few dozen billion 

OK, so you think we can build some nuclear power plants for approx, €24-€36 Billion.
What are those figures based off?
Is there some research paper done on this? Are you using the UAE example as a comparable benchmark?

Are you sticking your finger in the air and going with your gut?

You don’t see the issue with them providing almost all the materials (especially rare earths for magnets) for wind and solar and batteries that are used in Europe? While making us more reliant on gas

These wind generators and solar and batteries don’t grow on trees in China, they are made using slave Labour and coal

I rather trust the French or Finns or UK or Koreans or Canadians for nuclear and Canada and Australia for the tiny amounts of fuel needed

There is no wind and solar industry left in Europe, few places like the one you mentioned just repackage Chinese components to bypass tariffs onto the single market

Chinese backdoors are being found in buses and routers they sell, why wouldn’t they put em in inverters that are connected to the internet in 99% or Irish homes that are availing of solar grants for Chinese solar panels and batteries and inverters and electronics? Wouldn’t be too hard for em to bring our grid to its knees with such a large install base remotely accessible

Now this is misinformation, but would care to answer the question I have asked about 20 times so far?
Why are you so insecure in not answering it?

I gave you an estimated figure above, didnt I?

Why won't you show your hand? Why are you so insecure in yourself and your position on the topic at hand, to show us what Nuclear Power will cost us in Ireland?

You keeping saying renewable is too expensive. Grand, so if you think Nuclear is cheaper, surely you have done some sums or have some evidence on hand. Surely you have this, right? Like you are not making this up on the whim or purely based of vibes, right? As that would be very embarrassing all round.

Its an odd position to take tbh.

In fairness, there are over 3,000 posts in this thread. I am not going to read it all.
Can you not link me to those facts, figures, it would be much easier.

Even if you double the cost of Korean tech you still endup multiples less cost than the current trajectory

Dozens of billions to have cheap green electricity vs hundred of billions

I think even doubling would not be enough.


I used to be a fan of nuclear, in theory, but it's really, really hard to justify it due to costs. Numbers just don't stack up, and your evasiveness just proves the point.

So your diverting away from your giving out about Ørsted being bailed out when EDF were too.

Both EDF and Orsted received almost similar amounts from their governments ~9bn

Except France is a much bigger economy than Denmark by every measure so you are comparing grapes to watermelons

And as I type France is producing 22g co2 vs Denmarks 135g and has much cheaper electricity for their consumers while being Europes energy powerhouse

In 2025 EDF exported 5.5bn in electricity to it’s neighbours earning French state a tidy source profit paying its bailout many times over since 2022

Meanwhile Orsted continues to bleed money losing billions for pension funds and suckers around Europe

I think the debate would be settled once Ireland has a few offshore windfarms completed and generating electricty.
Take Codling and the Dublin Array, which will have a combined capacity of 2,124 MW.

Estimates of a 45% capacity factor will indicate an approx 8.3 THw generated over a full year.
This will mean these 2 wind farms could contribute approx 26% of all of Ireland's electricity use.

The cost of these 2 farms is around €4Billion.

Am I wrong with these figures? If not, show me where.

If so, why would anyone spend €30-60 billion for a nuclear power station that will not be ready by 2040 at the earliest?
These 2 farms above could be ready by 2030 (planning is in for both at the moment, and we should get a result from one of them this year)

Given all this, why the push for nuclear? Is it not a lot easier just to build interconnectors to the UK/France/Spain and leverage their nuclear and base load?

We can sell the excess wind on the windy days and when our capacity comfortably covers us.
The goal is to reduce gas to a small minority. What is the quickest way to get there?
Solar and Wind, which is scaled up rather quickly, or Nuclear, which takes decades?

The international investors (and quite likely our pensions) lost quite a bit as per spectacular graph higher up

It matters to the population of the country that had to rescue them, particularly small Denmark as per article linked earlier, whom will never see their investment back unlike the French whom are laughing supplying Germany etc whose spent trillions on wind and can’t power their country and paid itself over several times by now

Wait till the lot here realise they can hold country ransom and get bailouts

Experience shows there's no place for mature rational debate on this thread 😬

I would love a discussion on nuclear for Ireland rather than relentless renewable bashing.

If 7GW of wind can’t provide more than 1GW on a day like today (with majority falling back to gas) why do you think an extra 2GW of more wind would help

In schools they still teach that something multiplied by zero is still zero right?

When this is build are we gonna have cheaper and greener electricity than France or Finland, yes or no?