Fuel Protest (Read MOD NOTE on first post)

Are you serious? A study from 2021 😅 Using EV charging data from 2018 to 2020 and socio econimic data from the 2016 census. How is that relevant today?

Things have changed massively in the last 5/6 years. 2020 was the start of more affordable Teslas and was quickly followed in the next couple of years by Kia, Hyundai and VW in particular with EV specific platforms.

Today, the best selling ICE car is the Hyundai Tucson at about €42k, while the best selling EV is the ID4 at about €36k
These 2 cars are of comparable size and spec. On top of that threre are many sub €25k EV's out there to buy.

Your argument is backed up by completely outdated data. Anybody I know who owns an EV owns it as a daily driver. The idea that there are 2 ICE cars at home and a luxury EV as a third option for when Breeda wants to head into Brown Thomas on a Tuesday after Brunch is moronic.

If I had €25k to spend on a car and borrowed the money from, say the Credit Union at a green loan APR of 5% over 5 years doing average mileage I would be spending 10k more over 5 years on an ICE vehicle.

*Assumptions - average mileage being 18.5k kms p/a, an EV works for you range wise, cost of charger not included, 7L/100km ICE efficiency & €1.80 per litre of fuel, 18kwH/100km EV efficiency & 8c per kwh night rate. You also have reduced wear and tear on brakes and less servicing etc


How is spending less money on a neccesity like a car considered luxury because it's an EV?

Ah Heyor. That isn't what you claimed.

EVs are very much at this moment in time a luxury item

They are cheaper than ICE cars though

What it effectively states is EVs have a far higher depreciation compared to comparable diesels and the price reflects this. Hardly a selling point is it?

Also comparing a 3 year old EV which by it's nature would have tiny mileage to a comparable luxury diesel with the same mileage and concluding the Diesel will be more expensive really is underling the complete obvious.

Didn't Dublin Bus buy a gaggle of EV busses but because of charging infrastructure issue resorted to charging them via diesel generators. Not great PR! People might complain that the charging infrastructure is behind where it needs to be for cars but I’d suspect it’s even further behind to run a fleet of EV trucks, as yet

Bus Eireann in Limerick is 90%+ EV busses at the minute, they installed the capacity first at their depot before buying the busses. My understanding is that the 130 busses are just not being used instead of being recharged on diesel generators which means the busses and the charging points, will eventually come online.

Even if it was true, using diesel generators to power EV busses has a few advantages over an engine such as lower local pollution levels and greater efficiencies from the diesel being burned in a generator

Answer the question please.

I agree, and I said as much, but my post stated there were mitigating factors that do cost money and do need to be accounted for. Anyone upping it by the grant amount should be struck off

No mention of prices from what is now a Chinese company

On website doesn’t list Ireland as market

People on thread are trying to promote electric as the answer but these farmers and hauliers don’t have access to electric solutions, nor grants to help them transition to nonexistent tech

So why keep going on about electric as the answer? ignoring for the moment that we already have the highest electricity prices in world too

And then there’s the usual highly questionable greenwashing

The whole electric thing is a distraction from the real problem, industrial users need diesel, diesel got more expensive due to war and taxes, “green” HVO diesel also went up rapidly which implies there is a link there to hydrocarbons so it’s probably another greenwashing scheme (reports of rainforests being chopped down for palm oil for HVO)

You dispute that the resale market for EVs sucks which is reflected in shite prices and dealers are weary of trading them in?

People can visit their nearest dealer or check Donedeal etc and see for themselves

I’m not in any way anti EV technology, be it car/bus/truck, simply pointing out that just as BE in Limerick, significant charging infrastructure investment would be required before we could move en masse to EV trucks

The carbon taxes mostly hurt the lower-to-middle-income working class along with small businesses and the self-employed. Those who cannot afford to live in Dublin and have to commute for work. Self employed and SMEs who cannot afford to bulk buy fuels to gain discounts that effectively nullify the taxes.

The carbon taxes don't hurt the high-income class or the eternally unemployed class.

The high-income class get the benefits of carbon taxes via EV grants, retrofitting grants, etc…

The eternally unemployed class get generous fuel allowance. Many of these people don't own cars, some of these people will get totally free house retrofits, even if they happen to be homeowners. Some of these people get free travel passes also.

Show me where the lower-to-middle-income working class benefit in any way from paying large amounts of carbon taxes?

This is why I despair at times about the nature of EV discussion on here. Always descends into an extreme anti EV and pro EV stance. Yes people bought overpriced EVs at a point of time and sufferered excess depreciation.

So what? Happens all the time especially with new technologies and indeed dying technologies. Timing is everything, some win some lose. I really detest the current need to label people who think or act differently to what is the latest only game in town trend. Which is why we are all constantly assaulted with terms like mouth breathers, potato munchers, far left, far right, bigots, racists, etc, etc on the latest bulllshit bingo merry go round.

This is supposed to be a discussion board allowing people to share opinions and have them discussed without descending into school yard level name calling. Rant over😂

More fun than peddling conspiracy drivel in fairness.

People can buy what they want, if buying an EV gives you joy go for it. But to me the government shouldn't be giving grants, tax cuts etc. to incentice your purchase if it's of no economic benefit.