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Are fuel prices pushing you towards an EV?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Everybody loves a niche experience to be fair. For me it was on the 24th of July 5 few years ago. Some people might be aware that it's the date every year of the Applegreen 24/7 sale.

    So I queued for about an hour to fill up my diesel tank at a "reduced" rate. A rate multiples of what filling an EV at home would have cost. Like yourself I had kids in the back crying and my wife hated it. Had a couple of other bad experiences with having to get up after dinner on a sunday to go out, hopefully find a petrol station open and spend 15-20 minutes filling up at the absurd prices these forecourts charge

    I now fill up my car mostly at home for €8 and it takes me about 10-20 seconds to unravel the cable and plug her in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Personally haven't paid a "bill" since we got them but we probably would have had to pay a little this winter if it wasn't for the government bribe I mean credits they gave everyone before the last election.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    do you charge your car off the solar though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    The use case for solar isn't just about avoiding bills, it's about that AND making a return from selling electricity back.

    It would be an absolutely fool's errand if someone had solar now and wasn't taking advantage of FIT.

    But there are a number of folks that got solar and are not using it optimally, down to a lack of research and/or understanding and/or a bit of 'couldn't give a fcuk'.

    Usually among the community that squawk about how "their car doesn't cost a penny" to run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The is true, most EVs are in the "compact crossover" segment. However you do have cars like the Tesla model 3 and MG4 which would leave the S-Line Audi and GTi Golf in the dust. The only luxury SUVs I can think of are the BMW iX and the Mercedes EQA/S ranges

    There are more coming, of course, but at the moment the EV market seems to be concentrating hardest on the crossovers and small car segments



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Look we're largely on the same page here so there's no debate. I 100% agree with you re the cost of petrol/diesel, etc. As running costs go, the cost of oil and filter changes are minor in reality. Also surely an EV needs a service even to check if the brake pads are needing to be changed? I'm asking as I don't know although I get it probably is similar cost to an ICE.

    But I don't agree that an EV is way handier than an ICE, particularly if you (like I would) rely on the public charging infrastructure. If you are relying on home charger, within range of a charge each night, then 100% agree.

    Once it gets to a point where you can charge in 5-10 min, and are pretty much guaranteed a spot in a motorway services or on the streets of our cities and towns and even villages with decent traffic numbers (or everywhere there is a petrol station at present), then I think the mass appeal will be inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    That's a really interesting list, my only thought is there's an awful lot of 2's and 4's in there. Great to see the likes of 144 on the M1, 32 on M11, but how in the name of god is there only 36 (and 8 initially) at Naas - on the busiest stretch of road in the country!

    If everywhere else is 2's and 4's fair enough. But how does a major motorway not have 144 like the M1? Is it there already and this is just adding more? Please tell me it is!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    This is my situation as well. My secondary concern is would I get parking right beside where I need to to charge it even if it were ducted under the footpath. My 3rd concern then is does the charger become something some local funny guy thinks is hilarious to plug out! My 4th concern is the charger would be sticking out onto the road or the footpath when its plugged in!

    So I'm probably not getting an EV for a while unfortunately!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's the "update" list. The M7/M8/M9 corridor is already the best served in our country for charging infrastructure. There's very petrol stations on on that route that doesn't have multiple chaargers. The M1 has been sorely lacking by comparison so it makes sense for them to get a boost in infrastructure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think most EVs have it so the charger can't just be unplugged from a car by anyone; it locks it in place until the car is finished charging or until the owner (or someone with a key) releases it, similar to keyless entry. Open to correction on that though.

    As for your other points, thankfully I'm not in that bad a position on those items. I'm in an estate, people rarely ever park in my spot (and would probably do so less if they saw a charging pedestal there), people rarely walking near or past my car. But ultimately, because the house and parking spot are separated by a common area footpath, it's just that bit more complicated currently to get a charger installed.

    For what you're describing, yeah that sounds like a tricky spot to be in. At the very least you'd want to know where some nearby public chargers are just in case you came home one evening and someone was parked near your charger.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 FruitSaladGuy


    Sorry to near that. Yeah it's defo not for everyone for sure. Good to have the choice to charge at home though unfortunately not an option for us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 FruitSaladGuy


    Fast charging and massive infrastructure is the key but we are years away from that especially at the pace Ireland moves at. When we sold ours we never said "never again" but we did say we'd have a look in a few years again probably 2030 or around then and see what's what.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yep, mine certainly does. when the car is locked, the charging plug is locked in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Curious as to what sort of trips you do that don't have fast chargers en route?

    Ireland is pretty small with thousands of fast chargers.

    Haven't had any issues myself and always leave the ice at home and take the EV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    It's called justification.

    The base problem was no home charger, everything else is just smoke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,546 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I think with the events of recent weeks it is clear that everyone with two cars in their household and a driveway should have at least one EV after the next time they change their car.

    Five years of EV ownership here and would never go back. We still run a diesel to tow a horsebox but when that goes I’d be strongly considering replacing it with an EV and a van. ( if the figures add up for it).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭GPoint


    What a trip! You get to see a lot of places. Don’t know about continental Europe now but few years ago in France and Italy I counted very very few electric cars on the roads. And further away into the country I went the less frequent they were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,634 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Sums are unlikly add up for to run three vehicles instead of two. Tax, insurance, CVRT ( twice the price of NCT and a stiffer test) and cost of vehicle and maintenance. As well you need a business to get access to.lower commercial.tax rate.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭josip


    EVs are everywhere in France now, less common in Italy but that's because Fiat have been slow to bring models to the market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,546 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Don’t want to get into it but I do have a business. And the three vehicles would be instead of two plus trailer. The second EV could be something like an older leaf. There is also a very poor selection of affordable vehicles that can tow a decent weight these days. And we really don’t want a ranger or hilux.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Only 4% of France's total car fleet is fully electric. Exact same as here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Plenty of people who do have the choice to charge at home who don't own an EV as well though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Ah right, I didn't know that re it being locked. Good to know. Yeah were on a busy enough road with lots of footfall, passing traffic, etc so don't think it would be a runner. If you are in a quiet estate its a no-brainer.

    To be honest, if I was using my car more I'd still buy one and use the public infrastructure, but at the moment our car moves a handful of times a week so its hard to justify the upfront cost of something which will just sit around outside. My total fuel bill for last year was just under €900 and most of that was probably to visit family in the country and the odd work trip which I'd have got expenses back for.

    If I had off-street parking and used it more it would be a no-brainer. But I suppose not using a car a lot is a good thing at so many levels.

    Don't know how feasible or legal etc it is but we got a lead pipe replaced a number of years ago and a lad came along with a "mole" and literally burrowed a trench underneath the paving slabs, etc up to our house. Could you do similar in your situation? You'd probably need a lining etc I suppose but I'm sure its possible too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Oh it's definitely technically feasible. Unfortunately it's the legality. Installing private chargers on public footpaths (even just in front of or beside designated parking spaces in front of your house) is currently not permitted without some form of planning permission or council approval, which can be tricky because you don't own that common/shared space. There have been recent articles about some people who have done it and are being forced to remove them.

    https://www.dublininquirer.com/residents-with-evs-told-to-remove-their-on-street-electric-car-chargers-or-else/

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2025/0305/1500414-e-chargers/

    I think it's expected that there's be some new framework introduced in the coming year to permit them under certain conditions, especially since the government want people using more renewable energy (same way the area of solar panels you could put on your roof used to be restricted but now it isn't).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'd be very surprised if those people in those articles actually had to take away their car chargers. A recent case I heard of and the council tried to argue a charge arm, 7.5ft in the air, was a trip hazard. I believe the judge laughed a little before throwing it out

    All these cases set precedence's to get the law changed. I'm not sure if the law change will be this year but it will definitely happen as more and more people without driveways invest in EVs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    That's fair. I suppose when I said they're being forced to remove them, should be noted that even if they've been told to remove them that doesn't mean they are, and most seem to be fighting against that by engaging TDs and Ministers, the media etc to try make sure they can keep them and help force that change through. Very few of them may actually have to remove their chargers.

    It's still not something I'd be bothered with (and probably a lot of other people too) until such a change comes in and they're permitted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Indeed and hopefully they pull the finger out on that point haha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah with the way so many housing estates or apartment blocks are designed these days, it's going to become more and more of an issue not just for older estates but newer ones too. While there may be a certain percentage of parking spaces which have an EV charger, as one of the articles I linked to notes, you're then parking in front of someone else's house rather than your own, which means they get annoyed, or they've parked there meaning you can't.

    Plus those chargers tend to be similar to public ones where you're paying a separate company rather than being able to charge from your own supply, possibly at 3-4x the price per kWh.

    If the government want more people to buy and use EVs, they'll soon need to make these changes to help encourage and facilitate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Could you not position the box against your house, run the cable in under the footpath and plug it in to the car from there?

    Like the pic in the link above looks like its a new development - it is stone wall crazy that new developments aren't being planned with car charging (beside the car parking spot designated to the house) and solar panels on the roof of every new house in the country.

    I had some faith in Eamonn Ryan as Minister for Environment - to his credit he at least pushed forward the decarbonisation agenda and improved cycling infrastructure where he could albeit with loads more to do on both, but I'd have none in Darragh O'Brien. His role is "Climate, Energy and Environment" - what has he done in the last year?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you have a source for the judge's decision? was this the one in ranelagh?



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