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The Healy Raes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It is true.

    There is an appeal process. That's when a TD is normally contacted and makes submissions on your behalf or ask for supervisor reviews and explanations on refusal.

    You can't have clear guidelines and a discretionary system. It's nonsensical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Government Departments are not allowed to discuss individual cases with TDs due to GDPR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭techman1


    Even if he had voted confidence in government for this vote and then quietly told michael martin that he would no longer be supporting government in future that would have shown some grace. However with all the protestors outside the dail MHR couldn't resist being the centre of attention in front of all the rural brethern



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They are FFS.

    2.9 The department also develops and provides services via contracted agencies/ bodies that may in turn collect information from you on behalf of the department. These agencies/ bodies include Branch Office providers of welfare services, medical practitioners (certifying eligibility to illness and disability schemes) and providers of employment and community services (including Community Employment Schemes, Intreo Partners Local Area Employment Services, Intreo Partners National Employment Service, EmployAbility, Tús and JobPath). The agencies/bodies are all engaged under legally binding contracts that require adherence to GDPR rules;

    2.10 We may also collect data from TDs or councillors acting on your behalf, or from other people, approved by you to act on your behalf.

    If someone gives a TD consent to help with an appeal that is completely within the boundaries of GDRP.

    Both hamstrings gone with that stretch.

    Honestly have you never heard of a TD helping with a grant application, medical cards, school placements, special needs resourcing, social welfare, housing, etc?

    It's fully within in their remit and they are more than entitled to act in the interest of their constituents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    No. I aware if many cases of TDs claiming to help, but none where people got something they had no entitlement to - that would be corruption/fraud.

    On the GDPR issue, what you supplied says that the organisation you quote recieves data from TDs - which may happen. However, Departnents do not discuss a case or respond to TDs with any personal information - they only deal directly with the individual.

    Yes, individuals can appoint people to represent them - but this requires some legal paperwork to be done. Often solicitors will represent individuals in some complex matters. If you"re going down the road of having to do legal paperwork to appoint a TD as your personal representative for e.g. a passport application, then you're really over egging things!!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No. I aware if many cases of TDs claiming to help, but none where people got something they had no entitlement to - that would be corruption/fraud.

    Who said anything about people getting what they weren't entitled to?

    On the GDPR issue, what you supplied says that the organisation you quote recieves data from TDs - which may happen. However, Departnents do not discuss a case or respond to TDs with any personal information - they only deal directly with the individual.

    I don't see how that is relevant.

    But once you authorise someone to act your behalf they can act on your behalf, as long as it is inline with GDRP.

    If you will like to link to where you are reading this information that states they can't, I will gladly take a look.

    es, individuals can appoint people to represent them - but this requires some legal paperwork to be done. Often solicitors will represent individuals in some complex matters.

    What in the name of sweet tangent Jesus are you after going now?

    😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Data Protection Act is very clear re the protection of personal data.

    The protocol in Government Departments is as follows:

    If a TD writes in, one of 2 things will happen.

    1. The Department will respond to the TD with generic information about the scheme/application process.
    2. They give the TD and acknowledgement and deal directly with the individiual.

    There"s no mystery to it and TDs dont have any vires to allow a departure from normal protocols or get favourable treatment.

    Its actually a lot more effective to get advice from your local citizens information office than your local TD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    That is the AI response you just Googled. 😂

    But you left out this for some reason.

    Departments are restricted by GDPR and privacy rules from sharing specific case data with third parties—including TDs—without explicit consent from the applicant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    If you're looking up AI to try and respond to threads, you really dont know what you're talking about. What I wrote is well known by anyone who"s worked in or regularly interfaces with the civil service. You dont need AI to find out this stuff!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I didn't look up AI, you did.

    Anyway since you won't budge from your own reality. We will leave the last word to the man in question, outlining in an interview exactly what he does to help constituents.

    https://www.medicalindependent.ie/in-the-news/interviews/putting-the-politics-into-health/

    He claimed “the biggest lie that is out there is on the [medical card application] form, where it tells you to get evidence from your GP… But once a medical report goes in and they see in the heading that it is from a GP, they actually disregard it. They take no notice of the comments that are presented. None whatsoever. The report now has to be from a consultant. And if it is not from a consultant, you will not get a medical card. Nobody will admit this in the health service… When I ask for cases to be investigated by supervisors to see why an application was not accepted on a discretionary basis, what I’m told is ‘lack of medical evidence’, even though the GP would have given detailed medical evidence. But the story is then, ‘well, get it from a consultant’.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Proper smartass eh, can see him collecting a few hidings if he carries on in this fashion, he was standing behind MHR at LH the other day, answering his mobi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yeah because MHR would never exaggerate or embellish the truth in order to big himself up. No siree. It's the truth because he says it is.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭SnazzyPig


    Its actually a lot more effective to get advice from your local citizens information office than your local TD.

    I was advised recently to contact my local TD's wife by a Citizens Information Officer in relation to a medical card issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Citizens information should be able to help themselves!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    He had to have the man with him defending him when he called to my door. Very sheepish that day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    The problem is people expect their local TD to sort the issue for them. All they can do it write on the persons behalf and receive a generic answer. The system is the system and it doesn't deviate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Obviously you detest a lot of Limerick people then. That's really not a healthy way to live your life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    That isn't reality.

    Neighbour of mine needed a stair lift, was basically told she wasn't disabled enough.

    TD contacted, stair lift was in that month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    He hadn't the grace to inform the Minister of Ag, his senior manager. MM would have always considered the Healy Raes, political friends. Kerry won't be receiving and more favourable treatment. The gravy train to the HRs will be stopped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Has it ever? Kerry isnt exactly overflowing with capital projects!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭George White


    https://bsky.app/profile/robosullivan.bsky.social/post/3mjkz3zp6tk2g Caught putting his name to a pro-sitka spruce children's book, greenwashing and misleading kids about how sitka spruces HELP the environment, when it is the opposite.

    He makes me so angry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭techman1


    exactly, also he was on tik tok the day before defending the deal on fuel taxes he had negotiated with the hauliers and IFA, He was in there getting things done whereas the critics had never done anything constructive.

    Then the very next day he turns 180 degrees , joins the critics and protestors, votes no confidence with SF, doesn't say anything to Michael Martin or his colleagues, walks outside the dail gate with his fist raised as if he were Che Guevara but with a peaked cap rather than a red star beret. Viva La Revolution from the plough bar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They still have votes they can sell.

    It's not like the government have what you would call a healthy majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    ThT had been my thoughts last night. Will they still support the government on critical votes though the government will probably tell them to get lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭techman1


    their reputations are rubbish now because they have zero credibility, if they stand up in the dail to criticize the government they will be ridiculed by everyone including SF. Who will buy their votes after this ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I don't see how that works.

    He literally left a Junior Ministerial role in protest of the government.

    I can't see how the opposition could ridicule him.

    The Government might.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭techman1


    But which he himself was a key part of, he had a bigger role in the government than all the government back benchers. He was also key in the negotiations over fuel taxes that weekend, he will definitely not be let away with this, he is hated in the SF ranks anyway and much of the opposition. What he did last week was too naked and obvious it wasn't cute or shrewd at all because it was so obvious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I think you misunderstand the Healy-Raes. They couldn't give a flying flute what any other politician thinks of them, especially SF. Why would they?

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    He will top the poll at the next election and the Dynasty rolls on.

    Could well be SF asking him to prop up their government in the future.

    Politics more than most things is all about optics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Jackie HR on local radio yesterday saying they could still go into government in the future. I'd say he's dreaming but seeing how they can flip sides to suit their agenda, I wouldn't be surprised if they at least try. But who would trust them!



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