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Are fuel prices pushing you towards an EV?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Offshore wind has 35% capacity vs 95% for nuclear that alot of gas to be burned as backup

    And yes the auction last year for offshore in uk was double their nuclear

    you are comparing a formula one car to a Toyota Corolla



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Did you stop in any of the countries or did you continuously drive the 1100 kms?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,494 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    except we will build off shore wind. If we went to build a nuclear plant right now it’d be 50 years before it’s commissioned.

    30% is worst case. They are seen 50% +

    AR7 had strike price off £91.20/MWh what prices are you seen. That’s cheaper the than nuclear strike price

    https://knowledge.energyinst.org/new-energy-world/article?id=140068

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    Can you provide a link to I your claim off or been double. ? I’m interested in reading it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Got off the ferry in Cherbourg and drove directly to Germany. Stopped a few times for the toilet and whatnot. Wanted to do a long stint on the first day as I was heading to Copenhagen the next..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Queing to get OUT of the garage? Would you ever give over😂😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    I drove petrol and diesel for over 20years and queued regularly for pumps, and tills. Was also a detour to/from work if I needed fuel as most of my commutes in the last 10years in ice i didn't pass any petrol stations. It's much less convenient.

    Have queued for a total of 2 mins once in 7 years for an EV charger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    You've never had to wait to turn right? Never? I find that hard to believe 🤣



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yeah you have to laugh at some of the responses from the ev fanboys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Nearly as funny as the you'll take my diesel from my cold dead hands......

    Sooner they're banned in all built up areas the better 💨💨



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think as others have said (and bearing in mind I'm not an EV owner and am only currently doing a bit of research about them), EVs certainly aren't going to match petrol/diesel cars in all circumstances. But surely the balance which needs to be considered is how often do you need your car to perform under those extreme circumstances? 1100km in essentially one journey/refuelling is impressive, but when balancing out how often you're likely to need anything close to that range versus the savings from self-charging at home throughout the entire year and likely only doing maximum 250-300km in one day or planning appropriate recharging stops along the way if doing a long journey, that's when an EV can start to make more sense.

    Personally, if I'm driving 300km+ anywhere, I'm going to be stopping for a break anyway. Not just bathroom, but even just food, stretch the legs for a while etc. 1100km in one journey, say motorway speed of 120km for almost the entire journey, is over 9 hours. Realistically, how often is that ever going to happen?

    If it's going to happen quite a bit (or even I would say very regular 300km+ journeys), EV probably doesn't make sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Do EVs not have to queue to get out of car parks, restaurants etc? If you drive any vehicle you have to queue to get out of somewhere. Maddest arguement I've seen so far on this thread.

    I drive a diesel van for work and usually cover around 6000km a month with journeys all over the country. I've never had an issue finding a petrol station, even when I have to use my Maxol fuel card.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hows the depreciation on your EV?😀 you do realise that almost everything you buy in the shop, is delivered by a diesel powered vehicle. and I dont use Diesel. I use HVO100.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    I have a van for work and my car is only really used on weekends. A couple of times I year I take it to Europe and the UK so I'm happy to get the mileage out of it. Again, I have no problems with EVs, they're great in towns and cities and if people enjoy them then work away. But some people on this thread really really hate ICE vehicles to the point of parody..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Look at it this way, how many pre ‘08 cars are still on the road? all paying 3-4x the road tax cost compared to a post ‘08 equivalent car. Those drivers don’t choose to do that - it’s the car they can afford.

    EVs are definitely a long term solution, and in the next fuel crisis of 2036, this argument will carry a lot more weight, with far more and cheaper EV options available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    we don’t have the experience to build offshore wind

    We only have 7 turbines measly 25MW of 35% capacity factor that are being decommissioned as they reached their end of life (3x shorter lifespans than nuclear plants that have 95% capacity)

    in 2025 uk offshore auctions were 2x nuclear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭triggermortis


    I won't be getting an EV until I retire - and definitely not a Tesla. I drive 3200km a month just commuting, and have nowhere at home to install a charger, so I'm in a diesel. Hopefully by that time the cars available will be more appealing to look at…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    About the same as a similar aged ICE car.

    Everything you buy in the shop is also delivered by diesel trucks what's your point?

    HVO, don't think that's particularly environmentally friendly but at least it's not propping up dictators



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭murt101


    A few times in last year while doing long journeys i haven't been able to get an EV charging spot at my usual motorway stop. I tried queuing a couple of times but there's no space for queuing without blocking other cars and even if you park in a parking spot you'll be I blocked in by new arrivals queuing up to charge too. At least that's never happened at the petrol pumps! I don't like the stress.

    I may still consider switching to a hybrid when I change next.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    you were calling for diesel vehicles to be banned in built up areas.

    re HVO100 google it.

    "HVO100 (Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil) is considered highly environmentally friendly offering up to 90% reduction in lifecycle CO₂ emissions compared to conventional diesel. As a fossil-free fuel made from waste and residue materials, it reduces greenhouse gases, significantly lowers particulates and NOx, and is a drop-in replacement for diesel engines" ( subject to vehicle being certified able to run on it)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,494 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    they are already gone.


    ESB Have experience they’ve been building it up.
    They have Galloper and Neart Na Gaoithe commissioned and running already and Inch Cape is been built at the moment.

    https://esb.ie/news---insights/press-releases/article/2018/03/29/esb-acquires-share-of-353mw-galloper-offshore-wind-farm

    https://nngoffshorewind.com


    https://www.inchcapewind.com

    I have not seen anything to support your claim about Wind been twice as expensive as nuclear. Can you share a link.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    At risk of going off topic, there’s a very very long thread in infrastructure forum that does that

    One would have to be a fool to believe the marketing of the wind lobby (that doesn’t have a single working offshore turbine in Ireland anymore) that has left us with one of the highest consumer electricity prices in the world and still emit 6x co2 of green nuclear eu countries like Finland or France (whom funnily enough the interconnector mentioned earlier is being built to)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,494 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    so you can’t provide a link to support your claim ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    I thought a recent study into electricity prices concluded it was expensive because of gas not wind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    I was talking to somebody this evening who was complaining about this. Said they are changing to hybrid as they had to wait for ages for a charger in a motorway stop.

    But then the range will improve to a point where even this becomes less of a worry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Your acquaintance will spend a lot more more time overall waiting for their future hybrid to be repaired and/or serviced than they lost on that occasion they couldn't immediately find a charger on the motorway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    I recently switched over an EV from a 1.0l petrol. I loved the that car but I still get a buzz hopping into my 1 month old EV.

    A colleague was commending me on my decision but I told him I ordered my car in October 2025 so it wasn't a reaction to current fuel prices. I wanted an automatic as I'd spent 3 years commuting in and out of Dublin in traffic and I am at a stage in life where I want a few extra comforts in my car too. The EV itself was a few k more expensive than a similar specced ICE for me but the cheaper running cost offsets the higher loan costs I have from buying the EV.

    Looking ahead, I expect EV vs ICE ownership costs to balance out more. Electricity in Ireland isn’t especially cheap, and with smart meters becoming the norm, ultra-dynamic pricing is likely. If a large share of the country is charging cars overnight—plus heat pumps on top—I can’t see ultra-low night rates lasting forever. I’ve started looking into solar as a result.

    One big takeaway after a month: a home charger makes a huge difference. Without it, you lose a lot of the cost and convenience benefits.

    I also think current incentives won’t last forever—VRT rebates will taper off, and road tax will likely rise over time.

    At the end of the day, there’s a car type for everyone. For me, EV makes sense right now.

    That said, I’ve come to the conclusion that plug-in hybrids are the worst of both worlds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,634 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They migh as well go back to diesel as hybrid. TBH panicking over one incident is ridiculous. Infrastructure will improve. Having said that I would try as much as possible to avoid motorway charging

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Oh for sure. That said, I do think there are a lot of people who are so anti-EV to a near equal parody level. My brother-in-law was giving out about them and how he'd never have one because of the range, and the longest journey he's driven in 5 years was around a 250km round trip. Even when that was pointed out to him, still staunchly anti-EV just in case he feels like he might need to do a long journey.

    As with almost anything, you kinda have to cut out the noise from the extremes on both sides, take into consideration the opinions of the more reasoned supporters on both sides, analyse it against your own needs and wants, and then make a decision for yourself. Ultimately this is an EV motors forum, so the majority of responses are going to be skewed in that direction, but even on this thread most people are absolutely cognizant of the fact that an EV is not going to suit everyone, or that it's great as a second car while still having a petrol/diesel for other occasions.

    An EV for me years ago just probably wouldn't have made sense, and I was very put off by potential losses when it comes to resale or if there was a significant battery issue etc. Now though, given how many more EVs there are on the market, the advancements in technology of them, greater understanding, and then personal changes like far less commuting, likely installation of solar panels to my house in the coming months, better finances… for me it's starting to make a lot more sense.

    And I know for damn sure I'm not doing 1100km in a car for one day without some long breaks. Not just the car that requires some long recharging these days!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I get a great laugh at the "what about the depreciation" argument.

    Like most people hold on to their vehicles for a good few years and accept their car will depreciate.

    Wife had an 840D bmw bought new and lost a packet after 3 years. She had an Audi A7 3.0 TDI before that and lost a ball of money on it. Again you understand that when you buy a car.

    You'd swear some people driving diesels think that their car isn't losing money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think a lot of it comes from not knowing how well the battery may still be performing, given the cost of replacement of that item. That can make a lot of people wary about buying a second-hand EV compared to an ICE car.

    A lot of people will have friends or family who say "Don't buy X car because they give Y trouble" when it comes to certain makes or models, but EVs have more of a blanket stigma around them.

    They'll always depreciate and you never know what might go wrong under the hood after you buy a second hand car (or new car for that matter), but people definitely have more of a negative mindset around EVs for that reason, and that can mean greater depreciation for EVs because your potential market for buyers is then smaller.



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