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Would you visit USA in the current climate?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,540 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Not a case of would - more a case of could. The protests in Co. Limerick and Clare seem to have been among the worst in the country, if not the worst, and numerous people last Tuesday were delayed for 3 hours or more getting to Shannon airport, missing flights. You work all year, get up at 6.30 each morning to go to work in all weathers, pay a mortgage, go through a family member being seriously ill, and other life challenges, and look forward to a well deserved holiday. You miss your flight you have paid hard earned money for, because of a few young lads aged 17 on €200,000 tractors refusing to move. Who pays for that? No thanks to all that stress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I and people I know have been to China and had a great time . Me Shanghai my friends Beijing . Amazing country with very friendly people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Sitting in an aircraft waiting to depart from the USA, having spent a week here I found it to be exactly the same as under Biden, Obama or even Bush. People just want to get on with their lives and generally bitch and moan about the same things as in Ireland, prices and housing.

    Vacation wise, i think that China is higher in my list than the USA these days, it has so much to offer and is relatively cheap to travel to and around. The USA has gotten expensive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    If I win the lottery China is my first destination



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    My two sons are flying to China in May on a three week trip. We are 45 minutes from the US border, but none of US are crossing anymore. I used to love going to Burlington Vermont, Bernie Sanders’ backyard. It’s a great little city, but it’s on hold until Chump and Melanoma vacate the White House.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    I've really enjoyed the US for driving holidays in the past, but it always puzzled me why considering the vast distances they never invested in high speed passenger rail. They have a lot of freight rail so it's not like the bones of a network aren't there, but the investment in rail in China certainly make it a better choice for a non driving holiday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Yeah . My holiday in China was to the GP and on the bus to the track we passed massive concrete pylons in the middle of the countryside ,, all built to carry a raised high speed train line. In NY commuter train s like the LIIR are snails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Probably because fuel has always been relatively cheap in the US.

    There was a great passenger rail system in the US but once the car came along people voted with their feet and started driving rather than taking the train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    less 'voting with their feet' and more 'planning and development policy largely prioritised car ownership and almost completely neglected public transport infrastructure due to pressure from those with financial interests in the oil/petrol industry, creating an increased urban dependency on cars and move to suburban living'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Yes , but I would probably go around Halloween time . The weather is lovely and the costumes are great craic . NYC I'm talking about .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Plus with Red Lining the new expanding suburbs of the car age meant new racial segregation which created a lot urban decay.

    I saw this pic of Houston in the 1970s on reddit.

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    In ways cars actually reversed social integration in the USA, with people choosing to self segregate into ethnic islands, the very opposite of the melting pot myth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Think of all them poor sonsofbidges having to walk in the hot Houston summer days from the parking lot to their workplace. So much for quality of life. That’s a marathon level exertion for a lot of them.

    Then, an hour long car jaunt while listening to the Bible thumping radio hosts closes the tidy lifestyle circle.

    That’s why so many end up riding in electric carts sucking on two liter smoothies for the last decade or more of their lives. A great civilization.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Nope not true. Go do a bit of Googling - the auto lobby succeeded in having the passenger rail systems defunded, rail lines sold off and probable the smart is move of all give priority to freight. The worst I can recall is being three hours late into Denver because we sat for three hours within sight of the platforms for three hours wait and watching 4 freight trains that had priority.

    There is very little voting with your feet in the good old USA, everything is on sale and available to be skewed in America even the president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,699 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Depends. Houston isnt the best example. Its probably the biggest proper city by area in the US. Its absolutely massive.

    Anyway, see Aer Lingus are flying to Raleigh now. Beautiful part of the country that east coast and inland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,938 ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Houston is one of the prime examples of all that is wrong with urban planning. - or the near complete lack thereof - in the USA.

    The city is a complete sprawling mess and utterly car dependent. It has a massive carbon footprint.

    Portland in Oregon is a US city that has realigned its planning towards increased density, mixed use transit development and has a defined urban growth boundary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Jim you disappointed me.

    When you quoted me I thought you were quoting this post to clarify what you are on about 50% of people being detained at immigration and everyone that goes to America being detained, but alas no.

    What are these numbers about?

    If you are saying one has a 50/50 chance of being detained at immigration then that implies half the people at immigration are detained.

    And if you are there 100% chance of being detained?

    Where is there?

    The US ?

    Are you saying that everyone who goes to the US is detained by immigration?

    I doubt you are saying any of that.

    But please, make yourself clearer

    As for the car thing, yes there were and are lobby groups.

    But people still decided they liked big, cheap cars where the fuel wasn't expensive and they were easy to drive (automatic),

    They weren't duped or fooled into buying cars.

    They also liked the idea of a nice house with a driveway and a lawn.

    We are not much different ourselves, look at the sprawl in Dublin over the past few decades and look at the increase in car ownership.

    People like the three bed semi and the independence of their own vehicles.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,607 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Lobbying lobbying lobbying.

    Musks hyperloop scam has been proven to have been solely about putting a stop to Californias High speed train plans by falsely claiming he could do it easier cheaper etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    @VinLieger

    Isn't the loop more local transit scheme than long distance interstate like the LA - las Vegas highspeed that's under way at the moment?

    I agree though, successive lobbying attacks by car companies have killed off most of their public transport, outside of the denser cities like NY, Boston, San Francisco.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It's a side note to the point of the thread, but you're 100% right. And the US has had issues with rich lobbying since it's inception.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    If we'd been a wealthy country in the post WWII years I've no doubt doubt that a lot of Dublin would have been gutted for car parking space.

    We think of good cycling infrastructure when Amsterdam is mentioned, but they let cars spread out of control too.

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    The Damrak main street, Amsterdam.

    Aside from NY, Boston, and a few other cities the US is very much a car orientated destination. Great for scenic driving holidays, but as I get older driving holidays are less appealing.

    On the other hand a lot of city destinations in Europe have mixed options for getting around without a car, and aside from the background noise in the US at the moment I find Europe far more attractive for non car adventures.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,699 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You need a car in the US. 99% of it. Have done a few holidays traveling about and if I was relying on public transport I wouldnt have seen a third as much.

    Also the sort of people on a lot of buses and where the bus stations are located means they're usually best avoided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Incidental to holidays in the US, we have a relative who moved back to Ireland and one of the reasons cited was simply once you lose your ability to drive you become a shut in, unless you've got someone to drive for you. Now back in Ireland and recently given up driving they've got a local shop and church all within a 15 min walk. That freedom simply wasn't possible everywhere they lived in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,607 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The Vegas hyperloop was his "proof of concept" but it was always only about making the California high speed look too expensive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Interesting development.

    In a historic reversal, the number of Americans moving to Ireland last year was higher than the number of Irish people migrating to the US. Was this just a blip or the start of a more profound trend?

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20260414-why-more-americans-are-now-moving-to-ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Alfaguy


    Well from a personal development point of view I think people should travel as much as they can even to the USA. But in that case perhaps not right now. But the defeat of Orban in Hungary is a light at the end of the tunnel that these maga type politicians days are numbered everywhere and the coming mid term elections in the USA will be the barometer in deciding where things stand in the USA in that regard. But if things returned to normal I would have no problem visiting the USA since I have never been there yet. Might be fun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    This, also coincides interestingly with the fact that Israelis are fleeing the "Holey (sic) Land" in higher numbers this past year than the incoming population did…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Was chatting to some Americans that I know and Canada loosened their criteria to be eligible for citizenship so they've applied. A lot of people are far less trusting of the US government including their citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Yes, since 2025, proving you have Canadian ancestry going back generations means you become a citizen.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,874 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The problem with Googling is that it tends to come up with the most commonly stated answers, not necessarily the most correct answers.

    This matter, and the related Great Streetcar Consipracy is a relatively frequent question on fora like Reddit’s Ask Historians where people who have written researched books on the subject chime in. A few examples.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/xupczi/the_car_lobby_is_often_cited_as_the_reason_public/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/oo4vtg/how_much_did_the_automobile_lobby_really/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/ra6dg6/did_automobile_manufacturers_intentionally_attack/

    As to the validity of current passenger rail in the US, there is also some misconception. Areas with similar population densities to Europe tend to have reasonable rail networks, often with owned trackage. This includes Amtrak for intercity, or MTA, LIRR, Caltrain, whatever, etc for commuter purposes.

    Freight trains do not have priority over Amtrak, but there are also physics problems to be solved. Modern trains are getting longer, if they physically cannot fit into a siding, it doesn’t matter how much priority Amtrak trains have. On a related matter, Amtrak routes and rail traffic flows do not match. For me to get from my home town of San Antonio North to the state capital on Amtrak is only 90 minutes or so, quite competitive with the car. To go the other way, however, requires three hours, because the Amtrak train is trying to go wrong way up a one-way line, Southbound when all the other traffic is going Northbound. There is no practical choice but to occasionally pull into a siding to wait. The Southbound line is a couple dozen miles away, and wouldn’t make the same intermediate stop.

    As for overall delays, the system today isn’t doing badly. This topic came up on a Discord a couple weeks ago, and I decided to look up the status of every long-haul train over the last 24 hours using an online tracker. Copy/Paste.


    Looking up the long hauls, three of the last four California Zephyrs (CHI-SFO) were over a half-hour early arriving, though the fourth was almost six hours late. (Lost almost all of its time by the second stop in Illinois. Could have been an incident or casualty)
    Last two Carolinians (NY-NC) were a couple minutes early arriving.
    Most recent City of New Orleans (CHI-NOLA) was a half hour early.
    The last two Coast Starlights both made it from LA to Seattle/reverse a half hour early.
    The last Crescent made it from NY to NOLA an hour early, the last two going the other way were both ten minutes early.
    The last two Floridian Northbounds made it to Chicago 20 minutes early, the two Southbounds hit Miami 42 and 10 minutes early.
    Most recent Lake Shore made it from Chi to NY ten minutes early.
    Latest Lincoln made it Kansas City to Chi ten minutes early.
    Cross-border Maple Leaf made Toronto three minutes early, the other direction got to New York twenty minutes early.
    Palmetto made it Savannah to NYC 6 minutes early.
    Silver Metor southbound hit Miami an hour early, Northbound got to New York 90 minutes early.
    Last two SouthWest Chiefs Westbound hit LA 30 minutes early, and 2.5 hours late. Eastbound, 30 minutes early, 3 hours late.
    Sunset Limited made it from LA to New Orleans an hour early.
    Last two Texas Eagles made it to Chicago 20 minutes early, the curren Southbound is in North Texas, 45 minutes behind schedule.

    Tracker doesn't provide data further back than the last day or two.

    Considering they are thousand mile plus trips, and most arrive a bit early, this random sample indicates that things aren’t as bad as reputation states.


    I’d also observe that similar results happened to the rail and tram networks elsewhere. Look at the map of the Irish rail or tram networks in the 1920s vs today…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Just back from spending some time in the states , I was on holiday in Canada but went across the border a couple of times, once in Vermont and once in Washington State

    Very smooth process,border guards were professional and courteous took 15 minutes at the border each time . Appears to be an awful lot of scaremongering about it from the media.

    However one of the border guards did say that the delays in Washington State could be up to 10 hours during the world Cup , I guess because they expect huge amounts to travel between Vancouver and Seattle where games are taking place



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