Tesla Talk 2

Fair summary.

But ultimately concerning with the level of trust and wilful ignorance people are putting in this technology.

Maybe they could open all their data and accident information for 3rd party analysis. As until then they're lying. They've quite literally gone to court to guard data from the DOT in the US .

New report reveals Tesla officials' efforts to hide potentially damaging data: 'Would suffer financial and economic harm' https://share.google/i8dtUEzESYrWRRZNn

I don't trust them, neither should you based on imperial information that's out there.

And as always ive stayed self driving based of camera analysis is at the minimum the worst possible sensor arrangement for road and object analysis. It's cheap and cheerful and rubbish.

I doubt I'd even be having these conversations at all if Tesla had stuck with their original hardware setup when they first got into road and object analysis. Before musk saw costs could be cut to very little using cameras..

I did. But I replied earlier that perhaps I got that wrong.

I mean what more do you want? I responded to this very question from you earlier.. ??

Say what you mean, because we can't see what you think. Memory is malleable, but facts are not. Nowhere in the comment that multiple people have mentioned (the one I screenshot for you) did you make any distinction between EU and US versions of FSD. If you clarified your position soon after, that's grand but I don't recall you doing that. It looks like an attempt to rewrite predictions occurred only after the RDW approval mention.

The functionality and safety score performance is separate and while it is relevant, it seems to only be used to fluff up your position and deflect from what you are claiming you didn't post.

We all make predictions that we are passionate about. It's pretty clear what was said. You got it wrong. Time to own it. Plenty more debate to be had in other areas Tesla related.

A whole load of yada yada yada. To rope the conversation back to things I never said.

Like when are you going to stop this stuff ?

I haven't changed my position at all.

In fact Tesla have. Nothing to do with me. Chopping and changing their offering to suit the RDW. Alas I guess that's what the RDW is designed for. They prob don't bend their rules and tests. So Tesla manifestly had to make changes.

Still, I don't trust tesla at all. And they still have the worst form of self driving technology. A cheap one .

Why are you massively in favour of the cheapest form of tech driving you and your family around ? It's odd you all ignore those things each time raised and want to roll back to the nonsense discussion of word smithing.

But alas you do it because it's a vain attempt to wind me up. As youre throughly at sea in terms of defending the tech. It's like an ocean of magic that your consumed by. You don't understand it so you steer away from talking about it. The elephant in the room is that it's a sham.

I've spent the day addressing all of this. So no.

Have a great evening too. I've no ill will towards anyone. And I've no need nor want to cover what I've covered many times over and over. And I doubt you've spent any time reading any of that coverage today in any great detail.

Hence why I'm cutting it short.

I took a quick look into the US v EU differences and on the main, it seems to be that it’s just more conservative for the EU version, with no mode changes (chill and madmax etc) as well as hand position tracking. So hands need to be ready to take over.

Netherlands Tesla now has subscriptions available at 99 a month. That was fast. I wonder will Tesla keep the purchase option open until all EU have adopted it.

Lads can you stop with the lies. I literally said and you quoted it that Austin hadn't a hope of passing in the EU austin where they are trialling Robot taxi. Not Austin where Elon is testing some FSD that only you seem to know about despite FSD being available for some years in the US.

Enough of this nonsense mojo. Enough .

Now unless you want to enlighten me to some FSD in Austin that I wasn't aware of can you cut the ****.

I'm glad you were able to provide insights into this new secret FSD that's being tested in Austin. Is it capable of goal lifting ?

Definitely, but I'm not paying.

Well maybe il get the breakfast