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Fuel Protest (Read MOD NOTE on first post)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭Heroditas


    You're trying too hard now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Mullinabreena


    A few out again holding up the N4 in Sligo this morning. It's time the Gardaí start clamping down on these delinquents and start seizing their vehicles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭plodder


    Interesting piece by Fintan O'Toole in the IT where he casts a jaundiced eye at the fuel protest. While he's actually right, I doubt he would be using terms like "endless grievance" against teachers or nurses or would he be championing the roles of elected politicians or liberal democracy in the abstract, in any dispute with those sectors.

    It was astonishingly naive of the Government not to have anticipated some kind of large-scale revolt. And even more naive for some of those on the left of Irish politics to embrace the blockade as a harbinger of progressive change. Did nobody pay the slightest attention to what has happened even in the last few years in Europe, from the gilets jaunes in France to the BoerBurgerBeweging in the Netherlands?

    That was a surprise to me as well.

    At the same time there is a degree of contempt off the piece for the breakfast roll wielding, exclusively XY chromosomed (I wonder why that is?) farmers and hauliers.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2026/04/14/fintan-otoole-rule-of-the-breakfast-roll-atariat-this-is-how-irelands-far-right-movement-will-emerge/

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,101 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The protests for most of these people is a day out to cause trouble and get some likes on their social media pages. That's how sad and hostile we've become as a people since social media gave so many a voice!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Fintan needs to have another Green Tea and calm down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,021 ✭✭✭almostover


    They'll get their day in court now too, a few of their comrades are in court today.

    And yet some will complain of the wastage of public finances while clogging up the courts system with their pathetic insurrection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,352 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So the taxpayer has spent 750 million quid over the last 2 weeks trying to make fuel cheaper for everyone in the country.

    What happens now if the crisis continues and the price of oil rises on the market again, as it will likely do since there is no end in sight to this war?

    Do the protests restart? More blocking roads and refineries until the taxpayer hands over another 500 million? Another billion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Is it for everyone or just the farmers and contractors?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,352 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well a bit of both.

    As well as rebate schemes, the prices at the pumps were targeted too, so it should apply to general public as well, except price rises will soon negate any cut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Mullinabreena


    If this US blockade goes ahead we will see a barrel of oil hit $130+ very soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,677 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Whilst I think fintan is a spoon.

    Endless grievance would be an apt description. As no one , even the spokesperson who was on national radio seemed to be about to articulate the point for the protest, what the aims were, when it was going to stop and who was in charge

    I'm fairly sure endless grievance describes that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

    I'd prefer to support Ukraine rather than have a humanitarian and refugee crisis if Russia overran Eastern Europe and the Baltic states, taking control of one of the worlds main grain producing areas and causing a food crisis throughout Europe and Africa that would lead to an even greater influx into relatively rich countries.

    Ditto with foreign aid - we don't do it out of the goodness of our hearts, we are helping stabilise countries and building current and future trading partners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Weirdly you don't seem to hold an ounce of outrage for the likes of Trump and Putin who are responsible for all the crises affecting fuel. Whatever cuts in fuel prices will be negated by more increases as this war continues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,677 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Many of the clowns don't seem to understand that war,famine and drought cause influx. Mainly the first one.

    And many of them cheer on the actions of despots like trump. Whom are the primary drivers of instability.

    It's cause and effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So the taxpayer has spent 750 million quid over the last 2 weeks

    The taxpayer hasn't spent 750 million over the past 2 weeks.

    It's an estimation based on sales over the next 4 odd months and includes a Carbon Tax that hasn't even kicked in yet.

    The Exchequer will still be taking in significant taxes on Petrol and Diesel.

    It's a trick of governance to make you think they are handing out 100s of millions, they aren't.

    Fuel prices is one of the key drivers of inflation. There is very real economic benefits to the measures, not mention social benefits.

    People as they always do just look at costs and not value.

    But that's what exactly what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,451 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think the fact that so many of them were fawning over people like Duffy says an awful lot. If they were outraged about the increase in the cost of fuel, they'd have taken their protest to Doonbeg and the US embassy. They simply hate the carbon tax and other pro-climate and pro-environmental policies. A lot of them seem to be quite racist as well.

    I've seen an absolute deluge of racist, faux-patriotic AI sludge on my Facebook feed from people who can't punctuate a sentence.

    I'm willing to believe that a lot of them were sincere and there for honest reasons but the fact that the far right was able to so easily infiltrate and co-opt the protests makes me very sceptical about the whole thing.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭lucalux


    The poor contractor who has become lionised online after posting about having to close his ag contracting business doesnt blame Trump or Putin. No he retweets messages in support of them both (along with Gavin Pepper, Michael McCarthy, Elon Musk, Conor McGregor, Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins) regularly over the past couple of years

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    There's SO mamy more.

    He's well in with Christopher Duffy and has retweeted several msgs about James Geoghegan over the past 24months

    This 'movement' didnt get hijacked by anything imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,352 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Yes they have in reality. The government has committed the money and done the calculations, you are splitting hairs saying we haven't spent the money.

    We all know how it works. Of course the government will get tax back via people buying fuel , but that also works across everything in the economy. When the government gives people more dole or more child allowance or more pension, of course they get some of that back as people spend the extra money. It's the same with this money pumped into making fuel cheaper.

    You can say we haven't spent 750mill, but we will over the next few months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,426 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yes, Gardai did excellent work shifting these ‘paper tigers’ and barstool revolutionaries off the country’s roads.

    Not suggesting that all protestors were of that ilk…far from it ,however it would appear that the ‘leadership’ were quickly infiltrated by activists with other agendas.

    Certainly from the coverage it would appear that was a valid scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


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    More AI drivel shared by Duffy and an unsettling number of useful idiots. The useful idiots are oblivious to the facts its AI



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You can say we haven't spent 750mill, but we will over the next few months

    I thought it was over 2 weeks?

    You are looking at a estimate figure, which I imagine was the high end estimate.

    You are not factoring in the economic benefits of what is essentially an anti inflationary measure, even disregarding the societal benefits.

    That is done purely to paint a narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I do love AI nailing it with the Galway weather.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    The AI slop is dreadful.

    Part of me is glad to see FFG get absolutely slapped by their traditional grassroots, the other part fears FFG are incapable of getting this internet mob energy back in its box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Honestly, I don't know why the government didn't crack down harder from the very start.

    These yahoos are already going to be comparing "de gubbermint" to nazis anyway, may as well get some benefit when you have the reputation anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    There is a lot of snobbery towards those those who work with their hands. Events of recent days has allowed polite society to vent the vitriol they have been bottling up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Normally I'd be sparring with you on other threads, but here - I'd wholeheartedly agree with you on this. Brilliant post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,451 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I got banned on one group for criticising all the fawning over this man that was going on. Most of those groups are now just AI slop and racism. It's desperately sad as it was nice to be able to chat to other Irish people in London but we are where we are.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It's not about snobbery towards people who work with their hands.

    It's that the leaders involved in this protest are most likely not tax compliant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    There may well have been far-right agitators and authoritarians involved in the fuel protests, but this last week has shown that the cabinet is filled with such people as well.

    In a democratic society, the Minister for Justice’s response to protests should not be threatening to deploy the army. And now we have the Media Minister threatening to send Comissiun na Mean to investigate journalists for covering the protests in a manner that he doesn’t like.

    If we’re going to judge the protesters by the antics of one or two gobshites, then we must do the same for the government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Trump has been quite a disaster in this Iran conflict. Yes, he is worthy of heavy criticism, as too is the Iranian government.

    Unfortunately the Irish people can't vote either into power, but we have our own government who have been dragging their heels on everything else domestically.

    Michael O'Leary isn't wrong with his 'do nothing government' assessment.



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