Advertisement
Please note that it is not permitted to have referral links posted in your signature. Keep these links contained in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055940817/signature-rules
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Are fuel prices pushing you towards an EV?

2456719

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭almostover


    I've done fairly well out of buying this low mileage car with FSH as it just came out of manufacturer's warranty. Don't think I would ever buy new, that depreciation would sicken me. Interest on loans sickens me too. Maybe for an EV I might be tempted to buy new to get the value of the full battery warranty. We will see. Right now it's not on the financial agenda as much as I'd love a fancy new EV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,789 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Panic buying anything is not the right thing to do and that is also true for EVs. The war in the middle east will likely end in the next few weeks or months and fuel prices will similarly drop again. This will leave a load of new EV drivers thinking they should return to ICE

    EVs need more government subsidies and assistance than they are currently getting, no doubt, but they should be targeted at people who are thinking of upgrading their car anyway, not run in such a way that people start thinking EV even when they can't afford an upgrade

    A gentle smooth increase in petrol and diesel over time is what is needed to achieve this, not a shock overnight increase



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    I too live in an apartment, the parking spaces are not allocated, I could install a charging point in a parking bay opposite my apartment, got a quote from the estates approved contractor 2 years ago at e6,500 - it would involve digging up the road of course. Even if I spent the e6,500 there is no guarantee I'd be able to park in that bay to charge if I came home after 8pm or went out, even briefly on a weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭josip


    "Not the best idea to do such a large roadtrip having just bought an EV."

    Why not? And 2,000km wouldn't be out of the ordinary for a road trip. Even Andy manages to drive that far. And he cheats with a boat for half his trip 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    There's a huge surplus of energy generation available at night, enough to power more EVs than we'll have on the road before 2030 without any additional generation capacity.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    For an average mileage driver with a modern EV you'd only need to park there once for a charge every week to 10 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    For what it's worth I follow the Australian youtube channel Redriven which is where two friends review secondhand cars (ones a mechanic and they record in his garage) and in recent weeks they've been saying diesel cars have plummeted on the used market, but there's still loads of good bargains in EVs.

    This clip from three days ago about good value second hand EVs. Lots of pros and cons too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Oh agreed, it will be no trouble. But for me, perhaps not the best idea to go buy an EV and then immediately embark on this trip without some practical experience. Even with apps, good/bad chargers, just general stuff. Especially when I've got others relying on me.

    Get that out of the way on an ICE, then get an EV, then the equivalent 2027 road trip will be easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO

    it was a thought to have maybe one EV in the household, perhaps a phev.

    But no, not looking at a EV.

    More than likely the next purchase will be a Phev

    That'll leave us with 1 phev , 1 petrol car, 1 diesel car, 2x petrol motorbikes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭pjdarcy


    PHEV batteries are pretty small and, as far as I'm aware, they always charge to 100% (which is bad for the battery) so they will degrade faster than a battery in a full EV that is only regularly charged to 80%.

    Also, if you only ever buy second hand, there's great value in second hand EVs.



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wife has an EV, a 40kWh Leaf. Great little car, my main gripe is the turning circle. She has to drive to commute to/from work so it works out great. Longer journeys however aren't that feasible without multiple stops. I imported a Crown last year which is only driven when needed or for longer trips and gives great fuel economy.

    I'm now considering selling it to get an EV (I know the time will come), but my usage is rare enough that I can afford to run on the petrol/hybrid for the time being. Petrol going over €3 per litre might push me more but the reality is, I don't use it on a day-to-day basis and it was a car I had been wanted to get for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Is it the newest Crown model, fan looking car if so. Had an 80s Crown in Oz, total lux barge.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Previous model, S220. I'm kind of holding out for a full EV version, not a big fan of the new ones because they're more SUV-ish which is a shame because the sport and estate versions would be amazing as normal height EVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,278 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    That's a lovely car. You would have to buy a Model S if you wanted something similar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    No. It makes no sense to get rid of a perfectly good car to buy another



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    Do you live near me? I see a gorgeous Crown near Navan every now and again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,789 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    While I wouldn't be caught buying one myself, the BYD Seal U has an 18kWh LFP battery so is sizeable and needs to be charged to 100% to balance the battery cells every few weeks. I wouldn't get too caught up with the 100% thing on NMC batteries either. A lot of research now shows it's not a major issue

    If you live near an Ionity, or Tesla charge station you can pay a monthly subscription to get pretty decent rates. Charging at lidl EVO or Weev can also be an idea. Home charging is great but not really viable for apartment living. There really needs to be a viable solution I think for apartments, they can't all take the bus everywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭mr chips


    There are a couple of misconceptions further up the thread. First, there's absolutely nothing wrong with charging your battery to 100%, especially if you're heading off on a trip. It's there to be used! Some types of battery will degrade a bit faster if you constantly charge to 100% and then let the car sit like that for days on end without being driven, but not all. So you aren't limited to using 80% of the battery, not at all. Second, lots of EVs are perfectly suitable for long-distance driving. If you have one with e.g. 400km of range, there's no problem driving say 350km and then charging to 80% so you can drive another 300+km. I dunno about anyone else, but 6 or 7 hours behind the wheel is more than I would ever want to do in a day …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Deleted, forgot to post the comment earlier.

    Post edited by FazyLucker on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Yes completely, we turn down the output from windfarms etc when they could be charging EV's, batteries, etc for this to be used during the morning peak say - even give the electricity away on the cheap if it increases demand during the night while reducing it during the day.

    I know there's night rates etc and there's a financial aspect and market forces etc but its a sin to not maximise the energy created when we have gone to the effort of creating these windfarms, etc only for loads of it to go to waste when it could be charging EV's, etc.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,540 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    EV chargers slow down after 80%—a process called "tapering

    "—primarily to protect the battery from overheating and degradation, managed by the vehicle’s Battery Management System (BMS). As the battery fills, internal resistance increases, requiring lower voltage to safely balance cells, making the last 20% significantly slower

    I just recently switched and my range is around 453km but that's at 100%. Since my battery isn't LFP, its advised to charge only to 80% on a daily basis. And since I only do about 80km a day and I can top up free in work its been well worth the switch.

    My previous car was a 3l bmw diesel which at present costs about €150 to fill the tank and i'd be looking at about 2.5 refills a month so coming from a 2010 bmw to a 23 model y performance is really only costing me 300 bucks a month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Nice, and what a serious upgrade too, for very little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,936 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes. I drive a 2021 Octavia diesel but the recent price shock and decrease in mileage (a lot more WFH now) has me considering the move to EV. I like Skoda cars so have been looking at the Elroqs and Enyaks. I was nervous about EVs in the past due to depreciation, rapid technology improvements and resale value but the market does seem to stabilised now.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Yes I probably didn't elaborate my point to the extent of the massive infrastructure backup required to provide this infrastructure, but this is why we pay these organisations the big bucks - to deliver big infrastructure projects.

    But on the plus side, I think we are finally realising that you can't have proper infrastructure and keep every single person in the country or city undisturbed. Its just part of the social contract - the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

    If I had

    1. Off-street parking
    2. Solar panels (need planning for them as property listed)
    3. A commute

    I'd be all over an EV. Since I have none of the 3, I probably find it hard to justify.

    (Forgot to post comment this earlier!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Solar isn’t really relevant to EV ownership. Majority charging EV’s at home charge overnight at night rate electricity. Even if you had Solar you’d be exporting at a higher FIT rate than what you pay at night per kWh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Ah yes good point. I was thinking of the car charging during the day (since I don't use it for commute) and it being charged by solar panels. Forgot about the export price being greater than the night rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Changed from a diesel Octavia to a Model Y a couple of years ago. Best auto decision I ever made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,495 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    how much are you spending weekly on fuel and maintenance


    you need to look at the cost of ownership. As once you buy the car you’ll make savings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,495 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    It’s better to sell your solar to the grid. And charge at night.

    Off peak electricity will always be cheaper



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,980 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    And it’s now much easier to look at cost of ownership since the EV prices have come much closer to ICE prices.
    The biggest challenge and anxiety of EVs is probably going to be long distance travel - as EV ownership increases, we need to see more fast charging ports added in petrol stations. Was on a motorway trip recently- a large plaza type petrol station (wasn’t OBama, can’t remember which one)- but it was packed (Easter weekend) and every charging station occupied - wouldn’t have liked to be waiting for one to come free.



Advertisement
Advertisement