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Fuel Protest (Read MOD NOTE on first post)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭rapul


    I understand what you mean about it but that's your opinion not mine. So less of the personal accusations on my character there sound .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭aero2k


    They didn't call him the badger for nothing. Some of the newspaper coverage at the time was to the effect that the cops arrived just in time to save the protesters from Hinault 😀.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    We must be living in one of the top 5 Countries in the world. The idiots always want more though, they have no idea how good they have it. Sinn Fein would destroy this Country if they ever got into power and it would take FFG years to fix the damage they did once they regained power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,236 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    O'Connell St was a ghost town last few days, because nobody could go up or down it . And no excuse for acting on the blockades on M50 / main roads / refineries./ ports .

    You don't wait for an opinion poll to lift blockades .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭1641


    Delighted that this is over without the government stooping so low as to engage with these idiots who were led by the nose by racists, drunken tax evaders and pro-rapists.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Some of these protestors were very well off. Hugely expensive tractors and can afford to protest for the week. It wouldn't have suprised me if some use green diesel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Well the Dail members didn't meet Friday, Saturday and Sunday for the fun of it. They caved to the protests, it's OK to admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭dmakc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,202 ✭✭✭✭Heroditas


    The carbon tax is not deferred. However, the increase due in May is deferred



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭francois


    delete



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭dmakc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,639 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    And idiots are going to spout lies about banning bacon and dogs and bringing sharia law while waving Irish flags. Because they're idiots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,202 ✭✭✭✭Heroditas


    There's already a substantial carbon tax in place which is legislated to increase every year. This year's increase has been deferred for a few months. The existing carbon tax amount remains in place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭1641


    Some government ministers met, as they did on days earlier in the week and as they do most weeks. The government met on Sunday.

    Yes, that probably meant the package coming into effect a few days earlier than it otherwise would. It was negotiated with the legitimate, elected leadership of the legitimate representative organizations. And not with self-nominated scumbags who had hoodwinked excitable hotheads into sabotage against their own country. While waving tricolours, the irony of that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭rapul


    Look at England for what i mentioned, it's happening in parts there so hardly far fetched by any means and here back off with the personal attacks , could call you the same seeing as you seem unable to answer properly without insulting me , sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭dmakc


    They sat one their arses for ten days without getting anything done from the first meeting, hence the poor meeting on Friday. Which since miraculously turned into a final decision by Sunday. Make no mistake, we'd be well into May before anything done without the protests (and to a much lesser extent in actions). To think otherwise is delusional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,639 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Ok. Share some links with evidence of bacon and dogs being banned and sharia law being implemented in parts of England. Links to reputable news sources not Facebook groups or Twitter posts. Otherwise I'll just call it racist BS pushed by idiots online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I remember someone telling me my small local town in Ireland would be under sharia law in 10 years, that was 9 years ago. No sign of it yet lol some people are so obsessed with Muslims its unreal, probably never even met one before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I think it was a damned if you don't, damned if you do, scenario for the authorities. I'd love them to have cleared the blockades the first day, but that might have risked giving ammunition to the idiots who like to complain about imagined police brutality. I've no sympathy for the anti- democratic gobshites at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭rapul


    Nah you're alrite , I don't talk with argumentative child folk.

    Chill out a bit and don't attack , you're whats wrong with this country, not open for proper conversation and full of abuse .

    Search yourself on Google and educate yourself on what's happening in England . And less abusive speak on here might help further conversations, angry angry is a no no



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    Not sure if your experience is the same as mine.

    In Dublin they were very careful to make sure any of the above you have mentioned were picked out and told to politely f#uck off.

    I'm glad it's over too and I work in transport

    I don't understand why this heavily regulated industry has to be asking for support.

    We are an island...we can't have goods and services without transport.

    Taxing them means higher prices for the consumer.

    I believe there should never be tax or duty on the fuel on those vehicles.

    The rest of us in cars can suffer. That's our choice

    But transport companies shouldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,449 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,639 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Great. So no evidence. Just racist BS pushed by racist idiots online and lapped up by gullible idiots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭oceanman


    I delighted the government came to their senses and agreed a package in the end, pity they didnt do it a week ago and avoid all this happening. Well done to all the protesters, mission accomplished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭rapul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭Mobius2021


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    Crazy stuff indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I cant find it now but there was one in France a few years ago and they were tear gassed. It sorted out the protest but it turned the public against the cops and sided with the farmers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    These protest groups have been influenced/infiltrated by the likes of Derek Blighe, his brother (who was the guy pepper sprayed at whitegate, and Tony Robinson and his ike.

    While the vast vast vast me majority of protesters are honest decent people, they are being steered by them.

    Blocking ports and refineries are doing more damage than is necessary.

    The rolling road blocks, are inconvenient and while I don't like them, I would accept them as a legitimate peaceful protest, but blocking motorways, and other roads, I'm completely against.

    Do your slow rolling convoys.. doing anything else, and you deserve what you get.

    I also believe, all of this could have been avoided if the government just made an announcement of the removed carbon tax for 2 months, and to be reviewed after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The excise duty, carbon tax, NORA and the 'better fuels' tax are all subject to VAT at 23% across the board. It's a huge wallop. If the base price plus taxes land at a nice even €2, then the VAT drives it up to €2.46 per litre. We're not a million miles off that. The government are quids in when the base price of fuel rises, that's why they are so slow to adjust.

    You see it every year in the budget - the tax hikes kick in at midnight, any reliefs are usually three to nine months down the line. This hurts the average worker, and it's basically the government cooking the books.

    As I said before, 23% VAT was originally 21% before the last recession, it should have been returned at the latest in 2016, but here we are a decade on and it's not gone back. Much like USC was a temporary tax, but still remains.

    I totally agree with the person you quoted looking for a ceiling tax on fuel. IMHO, the governments attitude since the 70s has been that petrol and diesel are 'luxury items' and VAT is applied accordingly. It's high time it was 0% VAT and a set charge of 75c per litre set on it. Then when the base price rises, that is all that we get hit with at the pumps.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I don't often see eye to eye with Simon Harris but he is 100% correct here:

    "One of the leaders were asked what would you do if you had a hospital appointment, and the 'protest leader' said 'we're on social media and if you send us a message and we'll assess your message and one of the wardens will get back to you.'

    "Wardens? We don't have wardens. We don't have people who decide if you can or can't move around the country.

    "We've one police force, we've one army and we have citizens who share this Republic.

    "It is alarming that, I don't think this was taken seriously enough in elements of public discourse or media discourse this week.

    "It was alarming that for a period of days we had people, who we don't know who they are or what they're backgrounds are, that they were deciding whether that truck could go in or out, whether you could get to your hospital appointment, whether you could get petrol or fuel.

    "Who are they and how dare they?"



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