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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Warning in Post #8023**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    The religious indoctrination going on in our schools is being funded by the taxpayers. This is a disgrace. The religious orders should be invoiced for the teaching hours wasted on this rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,234 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    By all means, gather outside Government buildings to protest and cause traffic chaos around there perhaps.

    But do not block essential roads to the busiest, more important urban areas in the country in doing so. Innocent people potentially missing medical appointments goes beyond being annoyed at oil prices.

    Besides, a good section of those protesting in the convoy complain about EVERYTHING and thus its the boy who cried wolf about them, and the rest probably don't even follow the news. They'd be of the 'country bumpkin' types.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    This Is an excellent protest! I'd be very surprised if they don't get a good settlement out of it, reduction in fuel taxes. I'm not involved in haulage or agriculture. It's just a really effective protest. I had to work around the protests today. Fair play to them for doing a good protest.

    I only wish people who represent my political priorities were that effective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Fair play El_D, an actual controversial opinion! 😂

    I’m not sure how you measure the effectiveness of a protest, but I wouldn’t blame you for being very surprised if they don’t get a good settlement out of it. It’s not looking likely though -

    On 1 April, a newly-formed group called the Irish Haulage Farming Construction Contractors Amalgamation (IHFCCA) wrote to TDs asking for support and stating their demands.

    The group has been asking to meet with the Taoiseach, Tánaiste, and a number of ministers, including Jack Chambers. Such a meeting isn’t looking likely, as politicians have been coming out one by one to condemn the demonstrations.

    Taoiseach Micheál Martin said the slow-moving convoys are “a wrong form of protest”, while Public Expenditure Minister Jack Chambers saying the action was “unacceptable and irresponsible”.

    Protesters appear to be undeterred, as more demonstrations are planned for tomorrow, according to posts online.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/fuel-price-protests-demands-7006267-Apr2026/

    They remind me of other quickly organised rabble-rouser groups who have an inflated sense of their own importance in thinking they can hold the country to ransom until their demands are met.

    Fair play to Government for refusing to negotiate with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Not controversial (most opinions on this thread aren't) but I just don't get people supporting protests that can impede others from getting medical treatments/checkups - or being lengthily delayed and having family to look after. Ideology causing people to lose empathy. You'd swear these were really unselfish, altruistic social justice types too.

    And using petrol/diesel to do so - bravo.

    Not against protesting - but THIS form is punching down. It's not doing sh1t to politicians.

    Post edited by Mother Shaboobu on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Honestly as somebody who has a pretty ill parent where time was absolutely a priority when they ended up in an ambulance, I dread to think what would have happened if the protests ended up obstructing their ambulance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Well, I wouldn't take that as the final word. They haven't started negotiating yet. I'll be surprised if they don't get a settlement out of it. I'd say that's ultimately the measure of a good protest.

    But the first measure of a good is causing sustained disruption without causing harm or violence. They've don't that very effectively. Well see what happens when they start negotiating.

    How would you measure a good protest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah people get exorcised about medical appointments when there's an protest and they want to disagree with the protest. I don't hear the same posters complaining about hospital wait times or ambulance capacity when there isn't a protest.

    I acknowledge that it's a disruption. But I don't really take people seriously when they're only worried about patients getting to medical appointments when there's a protest they disagree with. It's not really about the medical appointments. It's because you don't agree with the protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Boards.ie and reddit/r/ireland used to organise outings/socials/drinks, because it was filled with actual real Irish people.

    Heck we used to know mods personally IRL.

    Ever since the censorship got utterly orwellian, there's been sod all.

    Who is really running these sites anymore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    You do hear the same people complaining about waiting times for medical treatment - all the time, so no point in making stuff up.

    Zero evidence that all the people complaining about those completely lacking empathy for others with this style of protest... are opposed to the protest. I'm not - just disagree with the way it's done.

    Again, stop making sh1t up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Don't think it had anything to do with censorship - just safety concerns. Lot of angry psychos. They've kinda faded away these days, but people are more cautious re the internet in general now (with good cause). We were more naive back then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm not referring to a medical appointment though. I'll happily admit that I don't particularly agree with the protesters but I'm legitimately concerned about the disruption to things like emergency services. I'm saying this from a genuine perspective in respect to that, an ambulance being delayed in a serious situation can drastically change the outcome. So if it's organised to minimise such scenarios, fair enough but it appears to have caused some real issues.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-fire-brigade-fuel-protesters-delays-responding-emergencies-7006656-Apr2026/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Well in the case of reddit Ireland, the Irish mod I knew was kicked off by admins and replaced by a "power mod" who modded loads of subs. They sure as **** werent Irish either. Then came the insane dictats - users with 10year old accounts were getting kicked off for their opinions or post history.

    For boards, the mods I knew finished college and stopped using the site because a "clique of mods" was making life difficult for them.

    And since then - boards place has slowly become a graveyard by banning anyone and everyone, and reddit Ireland is so full of bots its become a running joke.

    There is no more community in these online communities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm sure it's probably a smaller proportion that cause the issues tbh. But also it wouldn't have come to mind until I've sort of been in that scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    How would you measure a good protest?

    I’d measure its effectiveness, and so far, it’s not been at all effective in achieving its stated objectives. If anything, the only thing it has achieved is the complete opposite of it’s stated objectives, with Government’s refusal to negotiate with them.

    I don't hear the same posters complaining about hospital wait times or ambulance capacity when there isn't a protest.

    That’s only because you aren’t paying attention. The crucial difference is that people complaining about hospital waiting times and ambulance capacity aren’t only thinking of themselves; the same cannot be said of people who are only thinking of themselves when they imagine they should be able to hold the country to ransom until their demands are met.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭JM2300




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    YeaYeah but you must acknowledge that the negotiations haven't even begun. The Dail is on easter recess.

    Would you be someone who give up on everything if you got get everything you want immediately?

    I'll see how the negotiations pan out before passing judgement on whether it was successful or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yes, that's what I mean. First step is to be disruptive. Then comes the negotiations.

    Why do i have you explain this? What do you think makes an effective protest?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,915 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    welcome to the Internet of 2026. Destroyed by AI and bots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭JM2300




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Obviously I want you to expand on what you consider reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭purifol0


    As a sysadmin i can tell you its been like this since 2009. People arguing with twitter bots was big back then. Wouldn't believe me when I said they were bots despite this stuff being my day job.

    The difference within small sites like boards is very sad. We actually did meet regularly in person, but now???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    YeaYeah but you must acknowledge that the negotiations haven't even begun. The Dail is on easter recess. 

    I don’t have to acknowledge that negotiations haven’t begun. That would require me to assume that they will begin at some point in the future.

    Would you be someone who give up on everything if you got get everything you want immediately? 

    No. I’ve also never behaved like I’m more important than everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Protesting outside government buildings (after the Easter holidays) and US embassy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Anyone complaining about protests now might be protesting themselves when their food shopping doubles or triples in price in the not too distant future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I fully support the protest demands, I fully believe taxes like carbon tax and excise duty need to be removed from fuel prices, but blocking the roads and the refinery blockade are just short of crossing the line into terrorism territory.

    Ireland could lead the way on this, remove these taxes that have no real justification and give its people a well deserved break. Fuel is not a luxury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,571 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Blocking the depots might just push the wider public against them.

    No-one's going to be in favour of higher fuel prices so they're already on to a winner. I feel the Government could do more to control prices; the 15/20c reduction was just for show and has largely been wiped off at most petrol stations. Isn't there lots of money lying about in the state coffers? Surely they could subsidise fuel for the duration of this war until prices stabilise?

    However, I acknowledge this situation is largely beyond their control and Trump isn't going to listen to the protesters or the Government. A targeted protest, as mentioned, at the Dail and American embassy would be better, properly inconvenience those with actual power and/or influence, however minuscule or ineffective that might be. At least it's pointed in the right direction.

    Bringing the entire country to a standstill when everyone already agrees with you is idiotic. And I get the feeling this organisation has been haphazard and slapdash. I also wonder if they have a prepared and agreed list of demands to hand to the Government if they get a chance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    We, the taxpayers, don’t pay teachers. They’re paid by the Department of Education.

    And the Department of Education gets its funds to pay the teachers from?



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