Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Case in point. The company that erected metal fencing along the canals, in record time to stop Asylum Seekers camping there, is owned by Redacted. €6K a day, paid by the Council from the Tax "trough".

It's a big club, and you and I ain't in it.

Education is fairly egalitarian here to be fair, they are mostly nominal Catholic anyway. If we are going to get religion out of schools get rid of the lot.

Ireland has long been a multicultural society.

I don’t know where you’re pulling that ‘breakdown’ from, but it appears to be simply just an analysis of nationality as opposed to the actual meaning of multicultural, which includes countries, cultures, religions and traditions. We had that much even without considering the British Commonwealth or the Anglosphere, but in 1926, this was the British Commonwealth -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations

This is the Anglosphere -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglosphere

I’m only surprised that the article doesn’t mention the Monto, which at the time was apparently Europes largest red light district (British soldiers were their best customers) -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monto

A decline in the Protestant population coinciding with British withdrawal and the rise of the Catholic Church? Well, it’s not fcuking rocket science!

If I may ask - why would you hear anything about the 60% that already have what they want? That’s hardly news. The article does mention them all the same, but the point is that the 60% have 90% of control of Irish education, whereas the 40% that want change, theirs is the 10%.

In any case, that’s a perennial article which is guaranteed to be raised every year, ramping up in September when the chase is on for school places and there isn’t a place to be got in Dublin apparently, whereas schools are closing down in the rest of the country due to insufficient numbers -

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2026/0129/1555647-primary-enrolment/

Religion should be a branch of history class tbf and should be fully open to criticism without fear of repercussion or being called made up words. For us we just learned about all religions and never had to actually do anything religious.

Adelaide, 25, continued to speak in Irish to Dwyer, with Dwyer eventually asking him if he was “sent by an NGO”.

That would be a common with the Patriots.

Decrying the loss of "Irish culture" whilst pretending they are fluent, keen fiddlers with Wolf Hounds.

The best they can muster is a an avatar on Facebook.

Pathetic.

I completed that survey and also want non denominational schools. Born and reared in Ireland to Irish parents, grandparents etc.

Lots of us want the church gone from mainstream education

You can, but in terms of education it shouldn’t be so difficult for the Government to provide for a fair and equal level of education regardless of class or creed. We haven’t been successful in it at all if those figures from the survey are anything to go by! The results of that survey are due to some people having everything they want who never had to do anything for it, and others who are being told they can’t have everything they want.

I’m certainly not stopping you talking about yourself, but when you’re talking about me, you’d at least want to get your facts straight.

If you read my post properly, you will have seen that I questioned the validity of the idea that Ireland was not historically a multicultural society, and it wasn’t me who brought up the British Commonwealth or the Anglosphere, I made the point that even without them, Ireland was a multicultural society.

We were a multicultural society too when Irelands Patron Saint showed up on shore and proceeded as the story goes, to convert the natives to Christianity.

The bastard.

Multiculturalism doesn’t complicate how we talk about ourselves at all, and what complicates anyone talking about others is they’re usually full of shìt.

Where did you get that information from? Almost all national schools are state funded. Many are also under religious patronage. That doesn't mean the religious institutions are funding the running of the schools. Teacher's salaries, heat, light etc. are paid for by the state and ergo the taxpayer.

The religious institutions own the many of the school buildings. It's a hangover from pre-independence times. The state was so poor upon independence that we had to keep the ownership of the schools in the hands of the religious institutions. Over 100 years have passed now and it's time to move on. Would be a great way for the church to pay repatriations for institutional abuse by handing over the school buildings.

I don’t deny that when the Vikings, the Normans and the British colonised Ireland, we became multicultural until our society adjusted and became coherent. But is that really the precedent you want to cite for increased multiculturalism today?

Multiculturalism doesn’t complicate how we talk about ourselves at all, and what complicates anyone talking about others is they’re usually full of shìt.

This is childish nonsense. It is now politically incorrect to refer to someone as native Irish. Kieran Cuddihy went on a rant about it a year ago. That most fundamental of concepts is now off the table because of multiculturalism. But you’re telling me that that hasn’t complicated how we talk about ourselves?!

You know, because it’s not their native language. You’re cribbing about something which would be an even greater barrier to their integration

You’re proving that poster’s point by acknowledging that many immigrants, quite understandably, feel no affection for the language. For those who do (and I’m not one of them) it is therefore perfectly reasonable to oppose immigration on the grounds that it further undermines Irish as a language.

How is that video in any way relevant? It is an example of an immigrant family who have integrated into the native culture, which is exactly what that poster is advocating for and what you have said is unlikely to happen.

I don’t deny that when the Vikings, the Normans and the British colonised Ireland, we became multicultural until our society adjusted and became coherent. But is that really the precedent you want to cite for increased multiculturalism today?

Your question has nothing to do with what I said. The point being made by Stephen is more or less that it was a stretch to suggest Ireland has always been multicultural. I just pointed out it isn’t, with supporting evidence.

This is childish nonsense. It is now politically incorrect to refer to someone as native Irish. Kieran Cuddihy went on a rant about it a year ago. That most fundamental of concepts is now off the table because of multiculturalism. But you’re telling me that that hasn’t complicated how we talk about ourselves?!

As if I should think you give a shiny shìte about political correctness! 😂

What appears to be complicating your ability to talk about yourself is your need to play the victim. I have no issue whatsoever with talking about myself or referring to anyone else, like Darragh Adelaide for example, as native Irish.

See? No complications whatsoever.

You’re proving that poster’s point by acknowledging that many immigrants, quite understandably, feel no affection for the language. For those who do (and I’m not one of them) it is therefore perfectly reasonable to oppose immigration on the grounds that it further undermines Irish as a language.

I’m not proving sligeach’s point at all, and I said nothing about any affection or otherwise for the language. I pointed out that the reason immigrants will seek an exemption to learning Irish in school is because it’s not their native language. It’s not a barrier to their integration into Irish society, as Irish people don’t speak Irish in the first place.

I actually do feel a great affection and appreciation for the Irish language, I was raised through the medium of the Irish language, and still no - it’s not remotely reasonable to oppose immigration on the grounds that it undermines Irish as a language. What undermines Irish as a language is the way it’s taught in Irish schools is fcuking abysmal.

How is that video in any way relevant? It is an example of an immigrant family who have integrated into the native culture, which is exactly what that poster is advocating for and what have you said is unlikely to happen.

It demonstrates that the gobshìte who likes to portray himself as a patriot doesn’t give a shiny shìte about Irish culture. He isn’t even capable of stringing a sentence together in Irish, responding to questions with the bit of Irish he remembers from his school days. It’s not an example of an immigrant family? Darragh Adelaide is as Irish as I am, native, as you say, while previously claiming that you couldn’t say it due to political correctness. See now what I meant by ‘usually full of shìt’?

I didn’t say it was unlikely to happen that immigrants who get an exemption from Irish in school wouldn’t integrate into Irish society. I said that attempting to make them learn Irish would be a barrier to their integration into Irish society, because Irish people themselves don’t speak it.

sligeach was complaining because many immigrants avail of the exemption to having to learn Irish in school as though they don’t uphold Irish culture, as if being abysmally taught the Irish language is any way to introduce anyone to Irish culture 🙄

Are we ready for the innumerable petty squabbles over identity that are coming our way?

I’d say given as a nation we have a history of innumerable petty squabbles over identity, we’re well prepared 😂

I just posted in another thread there’s no point in arguing with a couple of posters who post full time here all day and will argue black is white quoting loads of links to support their arguments