Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

The longer this has gone on in Iran the more it has reminded me of Henry Kissinger`s remark about Vietnam that guerilla armies win by not losing, while conventional armies lose by not winning.

The south Vietnamese government forces also used geurilla warfare and they ultimately lost to the Communists backed by China.

Yes in terms of getting our hands on the oil it won't Hurt that much but oil has a global price so it drives the price up regardless.

We've had reports of Iran firing at Israel just after it was announced and Israel firing back now. Will this be it or will they keep trading blows.

Trump made this post on his platform. Will be an interesting 2 Weeks of negotiations and we'll see where they settle.

The lads protesting in Dublin today will be happy. Oil prices already dropped significantly.

Did Isreal declare a two week ceasefire too or just The US

I can only imagine how frustrating and disappointing it is to spend the last 24 hours making a show of yourself, defending this utter clown, to wake up and see the complete capitulation and utter embarrassment on the world stage. He is exposed AGAIN for the fraud he is.

He went and interfered with a plan that was working in an effort to either bump his popularity numbers or distract from his alleged paedophilia. This has consequences for the entire world.

He did this without an exit plan.

He lost servicemen.

He bombed a school.

His "negotiation" technique, despite being in a vastly powerful position, was shown to be as sophisticated as a bully in a school yard. It has shown that had he not been born to rich parents, he would have lived a below average life, grifting instead of working hard.

He then realizes that he can't get out of this. International pressure is mounting.

It was reported that army generals were refusing certain orders from Hegseth.

He then drafts a message to Pakistan asking them to propose it as if it was their idea. They do and he accepts.

It comes out that the whole proposal for two weeks was his idea (surprise surprise).

He probably then asked Iran to keep it confidential, just like he asked the president of Mexico to keep it quiet that Mexico wouldn't be paying for the wall.

It was leaked.

The 10 point plan is drafted by Iran, America folds and accepts and America and the world are in a far worse position than they were had he not stuck his beak in.

What a complete and utter clusterf**k

6D Chess apparently

SO the upshot of Trump's art of the deal work in taking the world to the brink [bomb them back to the stone-age, kill an entire civilisation] and then walking it back again is that Ayatollah Mojtaba Khamenei is still sitting across the bargaining table from him, effectively in charge of the Persian Gulf. Khamenei 1 - Trump 0.

That'll remain the status quo unless or unless and until Israel wrecks it by making another direct move against Iran. Can the U.S control Israel's Govt within the 2 weeks Iran has given Trump?

The only way for the world to get things back unto an even keel is for the U.S to get Trump off the world stage. They put him there, it's their mess, they'll have to take him off it. I don't care if that includes them getting U.S blood on it's hands, they're stained enough as it is.

Winning Bigly

And the stand out in all of this is Obama's deal was far better and he ripped it up. No regime change occurred. He just has caused lots of global economic damage. So the world continues to be worse off including tolls on the strait of Hormuz. Also not even clear if we're truly at the end of this. Sort of hilarious that you're trying to point to this as a sign of great deal making.

I wonder how much insurance premiums for shipping companies have changed even with the strait now open. It's a $2m toll but I'd imagine costs are also up

Im sorry, I just have to quote this again. Glorious. Bravo.

Since when did Israel give a fúck about violating ceasefires?