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Should DCC close Bull Island?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I'm giving my opinion, whether others agree or disagree is irrelevant.

    Arguing, where?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,646 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Article says the same, anyone got any images of this?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if you look at the satellite imagery on geohive, it does seem a bit chunkier at the northeast end on the 1995 imagery. but that could be varying tides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The 'island' is an unnatural habitat created by human commercial activity, expecting it to behave like some geological feature is unrealistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Seriously ? Educate yourself . It has been created over the last couple of hundred years .

    It's a Nature Reserve

    • Nature Reserve Status: Designated to protect its unique coastal ecosystems and wildlife.
    • UNESCO Site: It is a core part of the UNESCO Dublin Bay Biosphere Reserve.
    • Location: Situated on the north side of Dublin Bay, featuring the 5-kilometer Dollymount Strand.

    Protection: It was the first official bird sanctuary in Ireland. to protect its unique coastal ecosystems and wildlife.

    • UNESCO Site: It is a core part of the UNESCO Dublin Bay Biosphere Reserve.
    • Location: Situated on the north side of Dublin Bay, featuring the 5-kilometer Dollymount Strand.
    • Protection: It was the first official bird sanctuary in Ireland.

    Recreation: Popular for walking, birdwatching, and golf (two courses are located on the island).

    • Dublin City Council +5 image-79d963d4a4e53-7058.png

    "Internationally important numbers of waterfowl and wading birds overwinter on the islands salt marshes, tidal lagoons and mudflats. In the summer, the dunes on the island provide crucial habitat for ground nesting birds, including Skylark, Stonechats, and Meadow Pipit. Under the Wildlife Acts 1976, it is a prosecutable offence to intentionally disturb, injure, or destroy protected species, including their habitats."

    Everything that has been said previously .

    Cycle on the cycle paths built for the purpose all over the city and country . And the road on the North Bull .

    Dogs can be off lead on any place not designated a nature reserve or part of a UNESCO biosphere . Nobody is saying shut the island just for people to try and co exist with and have respect for nature



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The North Bull is a nature reserve. Public access to it was significantly improved by DCC building a causeway and road in the 1960s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No argument with that .

    It was before it became part of the UNESCO Biosphere and before there was recognition of endangered flora and fauna however.

    Sure people used to drive on to multiple beaches and mountains and bogs etc where they would not be allowed to in recent years .

    Just because you did something 60 years ago does not confer that right in perpetuity .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    This is all I have. My daughter took it as we drove by.

    Dollier.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Nobody has a problem with dogs running off leash on the beach.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    not sure what the argument is here; even if the island (and subsequent unintended nature value) was created as a result of human activity, should we not protect the benefits that has brought? or is the idea of curtailing the idea of dogs off leads a bridge too far for too many?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    More like 'a causeway too far'.

    It's the practicalities of dog control in that environment by a council who have opened the North Bull to motorised access that's so ridiculous.

    I just don't see Bay Watch dog wardens riding quad bikes. It would be highly entertaining though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ah well , let's just give up any protection of nature so .Let the Scramblers and Belligerent Dog Owners run amok . What a wonderful world 🤷



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,952 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,952 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fûcking golf courses, I detest them. Every single one in Dublin should be ploughed up, they're a disgraceful waste of land

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,952 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's clearly not Bull Island as it refers to a housing development…

    How did private individuals obtain title to land that didn't even exist 200 years ago and was created by the actions of the government?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,952 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Tbh we're at the point now where owning a dog in an urban area should just be banned.

    Dogs barking day and night and shít everywhere.

    It's not fair on everyone else.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I think there were a lot of first time dog owners during Covid, and there was a significant and sustained increase in abandoned dogs in Ireland following the pandemic. That means there are a lot of six-year-old dogs around with people who didn’t abandon them, but who may never have bothered with a dog otherwise and may not have realised the responsibilities of modern dog ownership.

    Edit - not excusing their actions one bit and if it keeps up a ban should probably be introduced.

    Post edited by John_Rambo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    DCC shouldn't renew the lease for SAGC, then the island north of the causeway road should be returned to nature*. People should then largely be prevented from going to that part of the island, maybe just schools and other such groups on managed excursions to learn about the habitat there. I know it's a long time to wait for the lease to expire but if DCC explicitly state that the lease will not be renewed then it should discourage new members from joining after a certain point and maybe the lease could be ended earlier. Obviously other options to end the lease sooner should also be explored.

    *plough up the fairways and greens, remove imported material and establish flora which would otherwise be there, whether doing that is "natural" or not is not the point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Probably a good compromise. A further compromise could be wooden walkways over the salt marshes and dune system introduced so people can visit without harming. I've seen them in other countries in sensitive areas for beach access.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    On the South Dublin coast, they end up chasing migratory birds that have to conserve energy and are inadvertently culling a species because they are unable to react to having to fly away from their feeding grounds mid stocking up. There is a reason they should be on leads. They can be off lead in other locations but within the biosphere, no. I got a tour from a ranger from the NPWS a few years ago who explained it, never thought of it before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    My own opinion is that if you close it you will just move the problem somewhere else. People don't wake up in the morning and decide to get a dog purely on the basis that Bull Island is accessible to them. These people already own dogs and will just go elsewhere with them if it closes



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Some specifically having feeding grounds that they come too for years, they eat specific things and do not fly off to local parks. Not all species of birds act or for that matter eat the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,635 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I take your point but they would have less impact elsewhere though, because of the nature of Bull Island with seals, ground nesting birds, migratory birds etc

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    but that's the point. they'll have gone elsewhere.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    100%, the only thing that needs changing is both soclal and legal enforcement of dogs of the lead. Alot of people don't realise why that rule is there, they just think its a rule without reason. There are loads of places in Dublin where you can have your dog off lead, this is simply not one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Banning dogs or shutting down access to north bull is pie in the sky nonsense.

    How would either be possibly achieved? It would mean extensive fencing off dunes as it is tidal and even then would be easily breached.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Which means they will be doing their environmental damage elsewhere, meaning you still have the problem



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    …but that's the point?

    they'll be doing their 'untold environmental damage' in a place less sensitive to environmental damage.

    there's a park literally across the road which has sections where dogs off leads are specifically allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    You are arguing against something which nobody has said, please stop.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The feeding and nesting grounds for these migratory birds and the sensitive marsh, sand dunes, etc. are all on Bull Island. It isn't possible to do that type of environmental damage elsewhere (unless you think people will travel further and seek out similar ecological areas to let their dogs run free).



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