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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I am not proposing these things.

    There are hundreds of US casualties (injured service people) amongst these casualties are a large number of 'severely wounded'

    US are not releasing proper statistics for casualties in this war, if they are hiding the wounded, they can hide the dead amongst the wounded.

    On MSN.com, 4 days ago, in 'the intercept' which is not The Washington Post, but these days, that's a good thing

    Trump administration covering up mass US troop deaths, injuries in Iran war

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭engineerws


    the U.S. government, particularly during the Vietnam War, faced scrutiny for its handling of casualty reporting, with accusations that officials sometimes misrepresented or managed the public release of numbers to maintain support for the conflict. 

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    • Management of Information: The U.S. Army and government officials often sought to manage the narrative, including the reporting of noncombatant deaths, leading to discrepancies in casualties like those in the Mỹ Lai massacre.
    • Official Estimates vs. Reality: For years, the public was presented with official estimates, but the final, accurate numbers—such as the roughly 58,000 American troop deaths—were only fully known years after the war concluded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its not 'Irans' war, it's America and Israel's war against Iran

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'm attaching a link to a comment I made on the 30th March.

    Where I made a mental bit of speculation that was a couple of days later, revealed to be fairly close to the HEU raid plan.
    Now the reason I'm sharing the link and the quote in particular is because part of the post in question highlighted how important "audacity" is to the MAGA mindset.
    It's genuinely not an "I told ye so".

    We are dealing with a "Department of War" led by a demonstrated moron who believes in the audacious.

    We are dealing with a POTUS who has that love of audacity dialled to the Nth degree.

    Just in the part of the presser I watched, Trump, CIA Director and Hegseth.
    Audacity and audacious were mentioned multiple times.
    To drive home the genius bravery of the rescue of the WSO.

    This is genuinely a war led by toddlers, who's need for acknowledgement and recognition is a lever that is all too easily exploitable and god forbid for the sake of any troops commited to action, predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭tarvis


    it’s is Israel’s war against Iran and Israel’s war against Lebanon with the great Orange blunderer providing assistance and cover to —Israel.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The Intercept is, in fact, not a better source of information than the Washington Post.

    People who believe they are are every bit as bad as MAGA idiots just from a different angle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It's left leaning, but it's a publication that focuses on investigative journalism that is not controlled by a single billionaire that is explicitly using it as a mouthpiece for his own agenda

    So, you can think it's not better than the current iteration of the WaPo (that fired most of its investigative journalists), its certainly not 'worse' than WaPo, so you have to ask, if the WaPo is reporting unrealistic casualty figures in a war, and the Intercept is reporting plausible figures, which one should you believe?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Mosques burnt down and police murdered are not peaceful protests FFS.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't care that it is left-leaning, I care that it is zero track record for caring about integrity or accuracy.

    You are the one proclaiming they are plausible figures based off nothing whatsoever - in fact counter to every single fact we have for how US casualties have been reported for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You are free to trust this administration and the Washington Post as much as you see fit.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Yeah this is definitely a regime which wants a free press.

    https://bsky.app/profile/kylegriffin1.bsky.social/post/3mitrvkjlm22k

    Trump threatens to jail the journalist who first reported that a U.S. airman was missing if the journo doesn't hand over source information to the government.

    18:26 · 6 Apr 2026Everybody can reply



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    And you are free to engage in your conspiracy theory blather as much as you see fit. I don't trust one iota of information coming out of the White House, but the idea that the press that broke the story of the downed pilots is somehow either sitting or, or ignorant of, hundreds of casualties is an utter farce.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Never claimed they wanted one, I said they (largely) still had one. Which is why the story broke in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    OK, so the regime which runs the US doesn't want a free press. We're agreed.

    That isn't a democratic regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭combat14


    it will be very much irans war when there is nothing left in the country



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They will stop being a democratic administration when they get voted out and don't leave. Which I am not exactly eliminating as a possibility.

    The idea that they are manging to cover up hundreds of deaths is obviously silly though as they have not (yet) managed to achieve that level of ownership of the media. Which should have very obviously clear from the entire story around the downed airmen leaking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Trump has already attmerpted this. He literally fomented an attempted coup last time and baselessly claimed that election results were rigged. You may remember this.

    Being pro-press freedom is an integral part of being democratic.

    This regime is not.

    Not supporting and enabling a genocide and not starting batshit wars of conquest and not allying with Putin are other integral parts of being a democrat. In the mind of any reasonable, normal person anyway.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What on earth does any of this have to do with the nonsense idea that there are hundreds of US casualties in the Middle East being covered up?

    I watched his stupid attempted coup on live TV. I watched his idiotic acquittal for impeachment on live TV.

    You are making a drastic conflation between what this administration wants and what actually exists. I am not ignorant of the slippery slope the US is on, but we have a bunch of people here basically cheerleading Iranian propaganda and nonsense conspiracy theories and it is every bit as damaging to the democratic framework we exist on as the MAGA QAnon bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    You made a sweeping statement about America having a free press. America may still have a freer press than many other places, as it has a very long legacy of such, and very many other places on earth don't have a free press at all, but that ignores the fact the Trump regime is making concerted Putin/Orban style attempts to destroy this. It also doesn't take into the account the censorship by flooding the zone with absolute bullshit element, which is arguably the most damaging thing of all for a country's informational environment. It doesn't take into account the ever increasing concentration of media ownership in the hands of billionaires who favour fascists.

    It's quite sensible to not believe a single word that comes from this regime unless and until it's conclusively proven beyond doubt to not be a lie. Such things are rare. You should always proceed from a default start point that they are lying.

    And yes, at this point I'd have an even greater degree of scepticism over anything they say than I would about anything the Iranians say, and I have a very high degree of scepticism about anything the Iranians say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The oligopolist press report what they are told by the US military

    The US corporate media reporting the 'official' statistics is as much of a CT as the Israeli state media reporting on the 'official death statistics' of the IDF

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I said they have a fairly free press still - I am aware of the backsliding. And at no point whatsoever have I suggested anyone believe anything coming out of the Administration. In fact, I have already highlighted here that Trump's comment on zero casualties from the rescue were wrong as it was well reported by the press that a helicopter took small arms fire and some airmen were wounded.

    I have said that the idea that there is a massive coverup of hundreds of casualties is stupid, because it quite clearly is stupid when they can't even contain the fact that there are two airmen at risk of capture inside Iran. It is little more than people believing grotesque fan fiction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I am not saying they are covering up hundreds of deaths. Casualties are any injuries during a war that takes fighters off the front line, they are not deaths. There are usually many more casualties than there are KIAs

    Casualties can turn into deaths and these are rarely reported individually, just added to a revised statistic.

    Currently the US are not doing daily updates on casualties in this war. It is very hard to find this information. I wonder why

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Keeping hoping out for this to happen is a bit sick, isn't it?

    I think "there but for the grace of God" and all that.

    Hopefully a well armed superpower [or great power] led by a mad/bad ruler never takes against wherever you and your family lay your heads.

    Can never say never, as this is definitely becoming normalised all over the world the last few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The 19th Casevac flight to Andrews landed 2 days ago.


    Those are for more severely injured personnel whose treatment requires more sustained care than available in Landstuhl and Rammstein.
    The C17 in Casevac role usually carries 40 stretchers, but can easily carry double.
    But, let's just assume 19 Casevac flights at 40 per flight.
    That's 760 wounded back to the US, before any other injuries are considered.

    Yet the current officially published totals are 365 wounded and 13 KIA.

    Does that mean that the only wounded being counted by Centcom are those who've been returned to the US?

    Now it's important to note that Hegseth has previously confirmed that many of the wounded have already returned to service.
    He hasn't offered anything in terms of numbers.
    There's also going to be numerous wounded who were treated in GCC hospitals and then fit to return to their units.
    With the more seriously injured triaged and sent on to Germany, where again more seriously wounded are sent on to US.

    The number of Casevac flights via C17, means that the current Centcom wounded figure is teetering on the edge of being ridiculous.
    It doesn't stand anything more than passing scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭combat14


    thats all great but ireland isnt shouting death to america, death to israel for the last 47 years

    ireland doesnt have a nuclear missile program

    ireland isnt closing the straits of hormuz to international oil/fertiliser etc.

    ireland isnt lobbing missiles at kuwait, qatar, bahrain, dubai, israel, saudi arabia etc.

    iran is going to find out the hardway that they are in a war if they dont play ball shortly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Anyone expecting Trump to drop the big one on Iran this week?

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,321 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Anyone expecting Trump to drop the big one on Iran this week?

    Hopefully



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    But I thought Ireland was "the most anti-semitic country in Europe™"?

    Iran doesn't have a nuclear missile program.

    The US and Israel do.

    Iran's leaders might not be nice people but they clearly aren't screaming madmen like the leaders of the US and Israel.

    It seems to me Iran is very well aware it's in a war. It could scarcely be more aware. Whereas the people who started this war, the US and Israel, seem affronted that the victim might have the cheek, the audacity to hit back.

    Newsflash to the US and Israel: war is war.

    Post edited by Arseboxing on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    This is all true (comparing conduct of Ireland's democratic government's and the Iranian regime over last few decades) but as per Goring, "the common people don't want war…" quote, unscrupulous leaders and their propaganadists can always choose a target for hatred, drum up a case for war and drive a nation towards it.

    Pre + during WW2 being some good and peaceful global citizen never actually saved a country or a people from being dominated or destroyed and we are now heading back to those days on a rocket sled, thanks in great part to your "man", Donald Trump and MAGA.

    Regardless of Iran's behaviour (which has also been subject to tit for tat responses by the US over those decades) the US and Israel started this war, and chose this time to kill all their leaders and start bombing. They are the ones who have been taking it up the escalation spiral over last few years IMO. They set this in motion. There is no justification for the threats he (and Netanyahu) are making now either.

    Anyway, to repeat let's hope it all stays fine for you (in a geopolitical sense) in whatever country you live in, especially so if you are here in Ireland with me (speaking totally self interestedly!).



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