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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Russia got banned across the sporting spectrum, not because Poland Sweden and Czechia FA but because of Political pressure from across the world. Notably from Washington. Russia are a parish state, a long time enemy of the USA, Israel havent because they are a long time ally of USA.

    Its not difficult to figure out why Russia got banned across the board, almost instantly. And it had nothing to do with a few football associations in Europe

    If protests work, why did not one Association around UEFA step up and support the FAI in their motion to ban Israel from UEFA competition?

    The cynic in me reckons it was because of who is co-hosting the world cup 8 months later. And we all saw how Infantino fawned over DJT at the draw not so long ago. So its clear to me the decisions are 100% political and have nothing to do with sporting organisations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    How have you worked out they won't suffer financially?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,168 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Not everyone is like me and not everyone is like you. We all differ in certain ways. It reminds me of a colleague of mine a few years ago complaining about the HSE ads on the radio saying they were short of blood and needed donors. The HSE are shite he'd say. Was he a blood donor? No he wasn't. He could have helped fix the issue by signing up but no. Complaining on social media about boycotting matches will achieve nothing. The same as the guy refusing to donate blood will change nothing. If we want to do a proper boycott of Israel we should boycott every country that aids them. If I sell a gun to someone knowing he's going to shoot a guy down the road I'm just as complicit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Russia got banned for invading a country. Israel has invaded a country too. Yet you support Israel's participation and avocate Ireland playing them.

    Presumably that means you support Russia being readmitted too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Again, you are making false assumptions and accusations

    I am an Irish football fan and have been made redundant twice before. Ive already outlined the FAI financial position and why I believe a boycott of the games has major financial implications for them and their employees. And on that basis I UNDERSTAND that the FAI have to play the games.

    Just because I understand the FAI position and the real life consequences for the loss of significant income does not equate to support for Israel, the Israeli state, whatever is happening in Palestine or support Israel taking part in football matches.

    Its not my fault if people are too fcuking stupid to understand that supporting the FAI position does not equate to supporting Israel or the Israeli state.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭TheCitizen


    It wouldn’t be a decision they would make on their own.


    Listen I don’t know why you feel the need to box yourself into a corner on this issue. As it stands the game is scheduled to go ahead. If it does I’m not sure if it will be held in Dublin. Both games on neutral ground as happened v Belgium IIRC is a possibility. Maybe a restricted attendance but with trouble in the stadium as happened in Paris. However events between now and then may make the fixture less likely to happen at all.

    This potential fixture will be discussed and will cause controversy. Any potential loss of revenue to the FAI won’t be a determining factor. The government have bailed out the FAI due to their incompetence, they will not leave them high and dry on this issue which is not of their making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The truth of the last campaign is it took two very unexpected results to get us to a playoff we then coughed up twice to lose.

    A boycott wouldn't be ideal, but it isn’t guaranteed there'd by success on the pitch that it would interrupt.

    I'm not saying that as a dig at the team, thats kinda just the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I have a solution that I feel would mean they wouldn't.

    I'm waiting for you to agree that if it is a feasible solution, you will stop posting saying the FAI cannot afford a boycott and so the fixture has to go ahead.

    You've posted several times and refused to agree, as you know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The government have given no indication they will bail out the FAI on this. Everything we have heard is full support from the politicians that the game goes ahead in Dublin.

    Now maybe that changes because Ireland are not going to the world cup so there is not so much political pressure coming from DC.

    But if the FAI were to boycott it, they would in all likelihood have already made that decision after consultation with the government, but the very opposite appears the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Why should I agree to anything on the basis of shoulda woulda coulda fairytale nonsense

    How about you put up, or shut up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Because I've promised to post the solution when you agree.

    Because if you don't agree, you'll just pivot to say "Oh it wasn't about the money" or some other nonsense.

    You've spent a lot of your time here using the argument that the FAI can't afford to not play the game, the fact that you wouldn't support a boycott if there was a financial solution to replace the lost income, says that that is only an excuse you've been using to hide your true motivation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    But there is no solution.

    Am I really supposed to entertain the notion some randomer on boards.ie has a solution around TV contracts worth 100s of millions of euros and fixtures already set in place, with the FAI contractually obliged to fulfil as a member of UEFA.

    But yeah you have a solution. Your a Spoofer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    All you have to say is;

    "If there's a feasible solution to overcome the finacial loss of not playing Israel in the 2 fixtures, I will support calls for a boycott on that basis".

    You do that, and I will post the solution I have in mind. The thread can discuss whether or not it is feasible, I think it is, you will say it isn't, we know that, But at least you'll have demonstrated that this is only a financial matter for you and that you don't support a country carrying out a genocide.

    But you can't do that, can you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The discussion is not about what I do or do not support. Its about whether the game should go ahead or the FAI should boycott. The FAI have indicated the game will be played and i fully support their decision as I am aware of the financial implications of they dont.

    You dont have a solution, because none exists. You probably have some romantic notion of Ireland playing Palestine instead of Israel which will lead to not only financial issues, but most likely sporting sanctions from UEFA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,953 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    As expected.

    You have categorically proven you are a supporter of Israel. You should edit your post begging moderators to come help you, makes you look weak. But it is on point.

    You want to hear the solution, you know what to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭TheCitizen


    This game has nothing to do with the World Cup.

    The game is next Autumn, a lot can happen between now and then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Precisely my point. FAI and government made their position clear before the World Cup playoffs, possibly because the cohosts, for political reasons?

    And things might change before the nations league games given we failed to qualify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    You dont have a solution. TV contracts are signed, fixtures are set.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,953 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I'm reminded of the Nigerian prince email scam. Do what I say and you'll get the big reward. No scam 100% guaranteed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You know what to do, It's so so telling that you can't even do that.

    Add Nigerian scams to the list of strawmen you have used incorrectly on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Would you listen to yourself?

    If you have a solution. Just post it.

    Otherwise shut up and stop making a show of yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,953 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You accusing someone of strawmen while you try holding the thread to ransom over a fantasy.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    MOD NOTE: There's been a string of insults and off topic posting on this thread, again. Knock it on the head otherwise there'll be warnings handed out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭saintsaltynuts


    Its a step in the right direction though.Why let politics ruin it for the rest of us. I feel sport especially our favourite sport in this country should be kept away from this bull don't get me wrong I'm against genocide but keep it away from football and sport in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭csirl


    While the financial implications are dire, its not just finances. Ireland would likelybe suspended by FIFA/UEFA for a cycle of at least 2 years. It would not just be the mens senior NT. It would be ALL categories of football.

    No underage, womens internationals.

    No European club football.

    No weekend trips to the UK for your local kids teams

    No visiting friendlies at any level of football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    We don't know if there would be any sporting sanctions. That would be guess work. Norway made some noises about Israel last autumn but ultimately played the games. Guess we will never know if UEFA had a word on the QT to ensure the games were played and to make Norway FA aware of consequences, sporting or otherwise.

    What we do know for sure are the financial implications for the FAI and its hard to see beyond a financial penalty for failure to fulfil fixtures as the TV contracts, worth 100s of millions, are all in place until 2028 as far as I can see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,719 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    In all my years on boards your posting today is the most childish I have seen.

    If you have some magical solution which you don't then post it.

    Prove us all wrong.

    All you are doing is derailing the thread by badgering a poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,817 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Israel is the country committing Genocide and nt the USA or Germany. The country that uses the weapons are the problem and not the manufacturers or suppliers. Surely you can see thast because if you can't then there's something wtrong with you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,817 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I only read the first sentence. Money is not as important as genocide.



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