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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I know, but in the case of Christian nationalist types like Carlson it's the most plausible explanation. In every respect other than Jewishness, Israel is the sort of right-wing militaristic power that they would adore, like a Little Russia. Unless you think he approaches the Israel issue from a justice and human rights perspective?????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    How on earth am I saying that?

    I am saying that Carlson is using and will further use anti-Semitism as a mobilising force against Israel - and use anti-Israelism as a mobilising force for anti-semitism. He will claim that Israel "corrupted" the "pure" MAGA. He knows he can do this as there is very fertile ground within MAGA to use traditional anti-semitism as a mobilising force because it's a fascist movement, and there is always fertile ground within fascist movements to mobilise anti-semitism. Trump himself did it but he was massively pro-Israel.

    Meanwhile in the non-fascist sphere of society, the widespread (non-anti-semitic) justified opposition to genocide and this war as well as Israel's colonisation of part of Lebanon is relentlessly and falsely demonised as "anti-semitic" by the useless, reactionary cabal of Zionists who control the Democratic party and associated media and social media - hello Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Hakeem Jeffries, Bill Maher and their ilk. Because of this relentless demonisation of the non-anti-semitic opposition to genocide by this Zionist establishment cabal, that anger has nowhere to go politically, it has basically no outlet it can mobilise around because the Demcorastic establishment keeps cutting any potential outlet at the root.

    If and when somebody like Carlson comes along on the right - and again to be clear Carlson is a fascist - millions of people who are not anti-semitic but oppose genocide and colonisation and insane war by Israel will turn to Carlson because i) he'll say he opposes Israel and its wars and genocide and ii) they don't understand he's a wolf in sheep's clothing who would unleash horrific anti-semitic forces and also iii) because they will have nowhere else to go politically because the Democrats will likely continue with a Zionist stooge candidate who is an apologist for genocide and war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    His position seems to be “America First” As long as a small middle eastern country exerts such influence on American politics and domestic and foreign policy. The “America First” agenda cannot succeed.

    Ordinary Americans are asking themselves why they are sending billions of US taxpayers money to Israel for Israelis to enjoy universal healthcare while the American taxpayers are often bankrupted paying for their own healthcare.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think he's a equal opportunities conspiracy theorist BS artist. Not particularly anti anyone.

    It just seems he was not called antisemitic before he started criticising Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,663 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    For a country that has supposedly been crushed, Iran is hitting aerial assets.

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    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Vance is absolute toast whenever his involvement with this regime comes to an end. It doesn't matter what his private views are. He's stood there with Trump and he's now a war on Iran guy.

    As well as that he's a horrific public speaker with a stratospheric cringe factor. He will crash and burn in any prospective Republican primary in 2027/28.

    Evaluating prospective presidential candidates is not hard. You can do it in basically seconds. It's like evaluating who's likely to be a good football manager. You knew looking at Klopp that this guy had it to be a Superman style manager, a sort of Obama of football. You knew at the start looking at Mourinho that this guy had what it took to be football's arch troll, a Trump of football. And you kne looking at trump that he had what it took to be a Mourinho of US politics.

    Looking at Vance is worse than looking at Stephen Kenny and his stuttering silences after losing 1-0 at home to Luxembourg. The guy is an all round calamity who will disintegrate under the first weight of scrutiny. He'll become a meme, a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,693 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A problem here is the Zionist / AIPAC brigade in the US will label literally anyone who dares criticise Israel as being "anti-Semitic". They wouldn't even entertain the notion for a moment that it is possible to criticise Israel and not be anti-Semitic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The anti semitism card is a canard. Those opposed to American politics and policy being dictated by what is in Israel’s best interests are labeled far right or fascist deliberately and for a reason. Even though the opinion is shared by people from throughout the political spectrum.
    The genie is out of the bottle when it comes to US citizens perception of Israel.
    Is there any powerful country in history who was so beholden to a small country with few resources and little strategic value?
    I can’t think of any.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I do agree that Vance has no chance but he thinks he has a chance and will certainly try. He is a long time non-interventionist and must be livid that this stupid war is harming the Republican brand. His best chance of becoming president is if Trump dies.

    Hegseth has also blown his chances.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Israel generally only goes after non-fascist critics of Israel to (overwhelmingly) falsely accuse them of anti-semitism. A key element of this is that pro-Israel "centrist" media wholeheartedly joins in with the smears.

    Meanwhile they offer support to real anti-semites like Trump and Orban because they're fascists who support Israel.

    The same rules wouldn't apply to Carlson. Israel could and likely would try and smear Carlson as an anti-semite but Carlson would likely turn it to his advantage in the same way Trump was able to turn everything that was aimed at him in his favour. He's more than skilled enough to do so and he would win a lot of independent and indeed traditionally Democratic voters because whatever you think of him, he's a superb communicator.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    The overwhelming majority of non-fascist opposition to Israel's genocide and occupations and wars is NOT anti-semitic. It's simply ordinary people who are justifiably horrified by genocide and insane war. Obviously Israel lies in claiming this opposition to its horrific slaughter is anti-semitic. They're liars. They lie. Rachel Moiselle and the Jewish Chronicle and the ADL and all these other entities that lie that their concern is with "anti-semitism" when they are so obviously Israeli propagandists, they lie. They're liars.

    But any prospective Carlson campaign or any other supposed "anti-war" campaign that emanates from within a fascist space WILL be anti-semitic in nature. Leopards don't change their spots and neither do fascists. Anti-semitism is baked in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭amandstu


    You expect losses in a war but I don't see a strategy for those losses to be counted against.

    If they cannot enable the opposition(and ,presumably still the majority?) in Iran to have a voice in their own country and neither can you guarantee freedom of shipping in the region,then have you not just lost the war?

    I thought regimes like Iran thrived on misery .Isn't this just like a magnified version of Gaza?(Hamas still in power)

    .Is the American plan to make life so miserable for the general population that they have no alternative but bloody and possibly suicidal revolution?

    Have they consulted them first if that is their plan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    "The tradtional Jew hating Nazis see Israel's Nazi style carry on as an avenue to them becoming "respectable" under fake cloak of being "anti-war". But they're not anti-war. They're anti-Jew."

    ^ It ceased to exist for 3 generations (70 years). A handful of skinheads in Indiana at the most.

    E.G., Jews faced social exclusion getting into WASP country clubs long ago, or be admitted to prestigious universities like Harvard, Yale... Now they are bankers, lawyers, financiers...

    By 1960 the culture had changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,870 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


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    If i was an employee at an Iranian power station/desalination plant I'd be doing some serious thinking right now about whether i should show up for work Monday morning…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭tarvis


    It seems Vance is travelling to Hungary to support Mr Orban’s campaign to retain power and remain the Putin plant in the EU -

    Intervening in an election in a community an ocean away from the USA seems pretty interventionist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "Glory be to God"?

    Who is in the Stone Ages now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The religious element creeping into the White House really unnerves. It's 2026 like. People have always done a lot of crazy things in the name of religion. Blind faith often means blind stupidity.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,870 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Also 'all hell will reign down'

    Freudian slip from Definitely-Not-King Trump? Or maybe he just doesn't know how to spell 'rain'…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    The fact that Jews are so embedded into American society through business, academia and the arts will be used as a mobilising excuse to grow anti-semitism within the insurgent anti-semitic form of MAGA. Similar to how Hitler used such as a mobilising factor.

    Trump already hinted at the right wing anti-semitic forces that have the potential to be unleashed when in 2016 he posted the picture of Hillary Clinton as a "tool of Wall Street" with a "Most Corrupt Candiate Ever" slogan contained within a six sided star which was obviously meant as a nod to the anti-semitic sections of Trump's support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,870 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    It 's just words with Trump himself. Whatever is driving him it's certainly not sincere religious conviction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Red meat for the rubes.

    He's the most irreligious US president of all time, and the adoration of so-called Christian nationalists, despite how openly Trump cannot be bothered truly is something to behold. However, when you look at it a bit closer, their agenda is as temporal as his and the religious posturing is nothing more than a way to morally justify their ends to themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What is “a fascist space” and why is it inevitably anti semitic? Zionism shares many characteristics with fascism. Is Israeli militarism, nationalism and expansionism anti semitic?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,468 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,902 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, he approaches it from the 'how much are these grifters and Bozos going to cost American taxpayers?' perspective.

    I don't agree with him on really anything, and he's a grifter himself, but in that respect, the anti-Israel cohort on the American far-right are correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,870 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Anything within the broad MAGA space is fascist. Anything within the so called "populist right" in Europe is fascist. Anything within their online support is fascist.

    I would consider Zionism itself a form of fascism, a bastard form of fascism but certainly a form of it nonetheless. It cannot exist without the jackboot because it is inherently a colonial enterprise based on total ethnic supremacy and bible nonsense. The idea of "the chosen people" is perilously close to the idea of "the master race", so close as to be almost indivisible. The Zionism that has existed since the end of the Holocaust is in so many ways a very big backhanded tribute to the methods of the Nazis. Zionism's biggest support base within Europe comes from the far right and the "anti-woke" (anti-woke is itself a euphemism for fascist), primarily because the far right in Europe will always harbour dreams of genocide, and Israel is living it out for them by targetting a group of people, Muslim Arabs, who the white European fascists deem lower again than Jews. White European fascists admire the unapologetic genocidal nature of the modern state of Israel.

    And yet within fascism in Europe, the USA and some other places, there will always be a deep residual admiration for the Nazis and their methods, and a residual hankering to make Jews the targets once again. That exists within MAGA and it certainly exists within entities like Reform UK, the AFD in Germany and Orban's party in Hungary.

    It doesn't take a whole lot to unlock all that and bring it to life again, it really only takes one gifted demagogue, which could easily be somebody like Carlson.

    You have to look at the currents which drive things. Some things are inevitable. When Peadar Toibin left Sinn Fein because he was anti-abortion and set up Aontú, he claimed it would it be a left wing party, just that it would be anti-abortion. And yet it was obvious from the start that Aontú would inevitably become a right wing populist party, first fascist adjacent, before eventually settling on full on Reform UK style fascist, anti-immigrant, "anti-woke", anti-anything decent, anti-reality, motivated pretty much entirely by hate. It's just so blindingly obvious that a left wing "anti-abortion" party is a complete oxymoron.

    The exact same was true of Renua, again set up over the issue of abortion and ostensibly advertised as a centrist party. Who's in Renua now? Racists, cranks, headbangers, fascists.

    Anything set up as an anti-abortion movement will always end up this way.

    There will be a similar dynamic with any anti-Israel movement which emanates from a fascist space. It will inevitably become consumed by anti-semitism because the anti-semitic DNA is just too hard wired into fascism by history, and because fascists in a general sense are bone headed idiots to whom facts, truth, context and reason are the enemy. It will start with "we're against Israel's influence over US policy and budget" and within a short time become "Jews will not replace us".

    There are western fascists and Nazis active online with considerable profiles, who have tried to attach themselves to the pro-Palestine movement but who in reality are just Nazis. Jackson Hinkle for instance, a Russia propagandist and a Nazi who uses the pro-Palestinian cause for his own twisted ends . He's just cosplaying at being "pro-human rights" when in reality he just hates Jews.

    This is the game Carlson is now playing and any such movement he may start over the coming years will inevitably have anti-semitism consume it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,719 ✭✭✭amacca


    Or...he's a fcking pig ignorant moron that can't string a couple of sentences together without making some sort of mistake/grammatical error etc

    He was asking people to "bare" rather than bear something in mind a couple of tweets back the gobshite

    I remember with fondness when there used to be standards in public office....not any old clown fcukwit could get to be president



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Any old clown fúckwit, rapist pedophile would be more accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,719 ✭✭✭amacca


    In fairness he must be on the tail end of some bell curve......



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭goldsparkle


    Trump is like a toddler temper tantruming when he doesn't get his way.

    Can he and his Israel buddies just stop attacking Iran. Threatening to do more attacks isn't going to open the strait considering attacking Iran was the act that got it closed to begin with.

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