Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Is this not just an anecdotes?

I find it interesting most of the time we are someone being taken advantage by labour laws etc, it's a non national taking the advantage, usually someone from the same country.

It’s not a “framing” of anything, in your post you’ve blithely disregarded people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds as uneducated and lazy

You show no degree of understanding for why they may be less well off - rather than seeking to improve their lot as fellow Irish people you simply call for their replacement in the name of economic expediency.
The social issues affecting many of these places are often extremely complex - your “pull yourselves up by your bootstraps” mantra is naive and intellectually lazy.

What is the purpose of a nation state like Ireland if not for the advancement of the people of Ireland? You seem to think it’s something to be run like a company rather than a society.

Indeed there are many types of migrants, many are of great benefit to Ireland and I’ve never once said otherwise in this thread.

What is interesting is that you choose to gloss over the blatant contradictions in your stance where large cohorts of migrants are concerned. That many asylum seekers for example are also “uneducated” and also come from socially backward areas.
But you’ll make an exception for them because at least with them you get to pay yourself on the back and pretend you’re somehow more moral for it. I note you ignored that half of our homeless are migrants, these aren’t all asylum seekers either.

And lastly you can spare us all with the “life or death situation” crap. Both the minister for justice and the Taoiseach himself have publicly stated that the vast majority are NOT coming seeking refuge for genuine purposes. Even with our soft touch system the vast majority are still refused. It’s a fallacy, so you can just drop the moralising bullshìt please.

And forgive me, but your last point is also a load of naive rubbish based on nothing: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/01/11/almost-5000-people-unable-to-move-out-of-direct-provision-after-being-granted-permission-to-stay-in-ireland/

Even after gaining permission to remain and work and live like all the rest of us, thousands upon thousands of them remain totally reliant on the state for everything. They do not turn into some economic engine driving the rest of us forward or whatever it is you imagined up. They remain an economic burden, that is the reality.

Untrue if you read my last post I clearly elaborated. Again you are framing a few as “all”. I get the feeling you have unspoken underlying issues on this topic. As do many on this thread. It is not said outright but reading between the lines a certain mindset is clear. Thankfully the majority of the electorate do not think this way. Or there would be real vast visceral extremes in the politics of Ireland.
Thankfully Ireland has a far more discerning electorate. It gains no real traction at the ballot box. Your mindset is merely a footnote within a small but very vocal bubble.

Right so it’s the “unspoken underlying”, things “not said outright but reading between the lines”…i.e. whatever bollocks you want to make up in your head and ascribe to people you disagree with

You didn’t refute or engage with a single thing I said, because you’ve got nothing - trying to disregard this as some fringe discussion. Facile attempt at painting it as some way extremist based on nothing, I’ve literally not advocated any extremist actions, I’m in favour of measured rules based action. You’re the extremist that’s calling for Irish working class areas to be supplanted.

https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/revealed-three-out-of-four-voters-back-crackdown-on-migrants/

Here’s some more data for you, I’ll await you making something else up in response rather than providing an actual rebuttal or discussion point.

”frames all migrants as “backwards” or framing all groups of migrants as the same”

In my last comment, the one you are referring to I literally stated:

“Indeed there are many types of migrants, many are of great benefit to Ireland and I’ve never once said otherwise in this thread.”

As per usual you’ve had to plumb to lying ad hominem rubbish rather than actually discussing the topic, because you’re not capable of having a discussion or providing information or substantiation to your points.

Just throw out a load of nonsense and then when you’re called on it you play the man and not ball. Childish and weak minded. Come back to me when you want to discuss the topic - I’m not interested in talking about myself, much less outright lies

Very sad about the two Afgan brothers who lost their lives fishing on the Clare coast. I can imagine they might not be used to the wild Atlantic sea and how dangerous it can be.

But aside from our sympathy with their family and friends, the story again bring to light the AS system in Ireland. Let me be clear, I am not blaming the brothers for the system our country has created.

My understanding is they both arrived as refugees or AS (which one is not clear from reports). We can all only imagine the horrors of Afganistan.

But the news reports all said one brother returned to Afganistan recently to get married, where his wife still lives. I presume he was planning to bring her over on a spouse visa, permit, or something like that.

Does this again not make a mockery of the refugee system ? When a person openly returns to the country they are fleeing from to get married / visit or whatever reason.

Again, RIP these poor men. And I dont blane them for the Irish's government refugee / AS policies and processes.

More bollixology .

Just to add to that …The same day of that poll - An ESRI report was released stating how the average person overestimates level of immigration to Ireland

• “Findings ‘highlight the potential for misperceptions to distort public debate and increase vulnerability to misinformation’”

This was an anonymous online survey by ESRI ffs. This is the same ESRI whose chief John Fitz-Gerald apol­o­gised at a public in­quiry for not spot­ting that the 2008 crash was com­ing and that it could have been pre­vented. The lad that  was ‘com­pletely wrong’ in his pre­dict­ion

The most recent European Parliament Barometer Survey in February 2026 (conducted in November 2025) shows 75% of Irish highly worried about uncontrolled migration. According to the survey;

• "People in Ireland are more worried about uncontrolled migration than their EU counterparts…"
• Higher than the EU average @ 65%
• 13% of Irish “moderately worried”, 
• 12% “not or slightly worried” 

Even if we go back to May the Polls and sentiment is consistent

[5/May/25] Immigration control cited as the single biggest reason people felt the EU was going in the wrong direction.

• Poll by civil society organisation European Movement Ireland

[19/May/25] Red C poll electoral commission survey for 2024

• 73% agree with the statement that “There should be very strict limits on the number of immigrants coming to live in Ireland.”
• 3/4 agree “Ethnic minorities should adapt to Ireland's way of life,” with this number jumping to 81% for participants based outside of Dublin.
• 19% agree “Elected officials want more immigration to bring in obedient voters who will vote for them,” and that 
• 19%  agree “The establishment is replacing white Irish people with non-white immigrants.”

[10/September/25] Sunday Indo/Ireland Thinks poll 

• "Which of the following issues should be the most important priorities to deal with? "
• 1st was Housing, 2nd The cost of living and 3rd Immigration. 

[2/Nov/25] Sunday Indo / Ireland Thinks.

• 82% said No to - "Is the Government doing enough to address immigration?". 8% Did'nt know. 10% said Yes

[29/Nov/25] Business Post/Red C poll 

• 72% Support for Dept of Justice making immigration more difficult. 11% oppose.17% Neutral/Don’t know.

Yes, obviously bogus AS lie about the situation at home.

That's why the moment the get leave-to-remain, they often go home on holidays!!!!

They must think we are awful stupid.

Anyone who returns home for a holiday to.a.place they fled in terror should no lo ger be deemed in need to assylum.

Not one point of note made there. Just all ad hominem stuff grounded in assumptions. You're an ideologue.

This is already happening in Sweden or they are taking steps towards it.

Common sense.

The percentage exists for the different reasons they are in the UK as there is some exchange with the UK but none published . I mean tourist visa and student visa overstayers and those who failed the asylum claim . False names and country of origin are used .Some also may have crossed the channel or come there on trucks and only claimed asylum here . Pregnant women still come hoping to remain . There might be some actually living there .

What is notable few are sent back . What is true 80% come through the UK a well published figure .

It should be quite simple

When the claim is rejected give them 4 weeks grace to leave and then Stop paying them social welfare and stop paying for accommodation. Be bloody sure the IPAS centre providers wont be so eager to secure contracts if they weren't so lucrative.

The alternative is just hand out work permits and dont provide any social welfare or accommodation. Lets see if they want to stay then when they have to support themselves.