Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

I make no connection between immigration and "danger".

I make the connection between immigration and costs imposed on taxpayers.

Both the UKR refugees and the bogus AS have and continue to impose huge costs on taxpayers, in the billions.

It is this cost I wish to reduce.

I never mention race, and the issue is nothing to do with race.

I'll tell you what.

Clump together, get it up to a grand and donate it to a childrens charity.

I'll stop posting in this thread.

I’ve long since blocked Boggles, but sadly the old adage that you mightn’t read Boggles but the people that you read read Boggles applies.

Build a big FO mansion in Meath without planning permission - 'No way lads, that's coming down'…so it is

Build a big FO estate of 65 houses in Wicklow (repurposed for Ipas) without planning permission and with no sewage facilities, leading to 40,000 gallons of human waste per week shipped out (paid for by us in some form) - 'That's grand lads…work away'

Brenda Power (Sindo) - https://archive.ph/Dc9Pv

Goldstein Properties are complete amateurs when it comes to this racket - €74m…pfft!

The McEneany family on the other hand, are total pro's - in Oct last year The Irish Mirror reported €231m paid to them…

..so I'd say they've hit the magic 'quarter of a billion' by now. Bear in mind that the profit margins in this game are massive (Biz post had an article on it quoting margins of between 40 and 70%) - I wonder when the disabled people of Ireland were shafted in the budget did Seamus and family squirm a bit? - I doubt it somehow

@Stephen_Maturin - outstanding work last week (edit:and this). I really enjoyed all the skewering, filleting and especially the arse handing-over ceremony

You have spent a number of posts trashing Dr Lenihan's reel using the usual slur far right .The only error you found was in the unemployment figures .You never did listen to the reel but tried to nitpick my comments only .No link or proof to justify your remarks which any half wit can make .You seem to be now saying your not pro immigration.

You want to continue to make an issue of an error I made

You literally asked me for proof.

Prove I repeated the error only to say that full employment was reached in early 2000.

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A part of government policy is to allow mostly men to come here from the Middle-East and Africa and then give them a room and food at the Irish taxpayers expense.

What are the "pros" of this particular policy? Genuinely. Without resorting to accusations of racism etc what are the simple positives that will arise from implementing this policy?

Then we come to the issue of the "cons". An obvious downside to the government policy is that there will be a raw increase in the absolute numbers of women and girls being assaulted. So if we did not have this policy the number of victims would be X but with this "let them stay in hotels funded by the taxpayer" policy in play the number of victims will instead be X+Y. Add in the fact that the new arrivals of this type are disproportionately more likely to commit these specific crimes.

You're trying to tell me that, because I think that actually the positives, whatever they are, absolutely do not outweigh the negatives of this government policy, I must be racist? Nah.

Personally, I would say that every single person who is victimised as a consequence of these government policies are generally just seen as acceptable collateral damage. Nobody wants to point out that the people who commit these crimes have no business being in Ireland at all, nevermind being guests of our government, with their seemingly indefinite stay funded by the taxpayer.

Instead we have, for example on this thread, people who do not even live in Ireland absolutely determined to handwave all of this away as just far-right racism or whatever.

There are women and girls on this island right now who have been the victims of men who simply should not be here. Why is it government policy to not only allow them to be here but to invite even more men knowing damn well that the raw numbers of victims will increase as a consequence of that policy?

What are we saying here, people? That whatever positive results we can have from this system of handing taxpayer money to blokes who just show up here looking for handouts are so unbelievably good that the additional numbers of victims is simply a price we are all willing to pay lest we be accused of racism?

Seriously, what possible good can be arising out of the current Irish immigration policies that we would just happily wave off the negatives as "just the way things are, I suppose"?

We are such a soft touch it’s a joke

Having a pending asylum application should be like being on probation in a new job - if you can’t manage to go a few months without committing a crime then it should be sorry but you’re not going to be a fit for us, off you go

Can’t Ireland just do a swap deal? I would much prefer the vast majority of immigrants than the crowd who hang up tricolours to “mark” territory. To me it speaks volumes that it only happens in certain “areas”. And that to me shows certain socio-economic backgrounds can’t face the competition. To me the answer is simple. If you are rabid anti immigration to this country. The person is normally at least one / if not all of the following-

1. Uneducated
2. Insecure in themselves
3. Afraid of the competition from those who want a new life for themselves and start from the bottom up - the “competition” normally has has work ethic and drive to succeed more often than not.

There were people like you in Sweden a few years ago, they have gone very quiet nowadays. It's generally those living in area's virtually unaffected by immigration that cheerlead it the most.

Ivana bacik a few years in the link below lamenting that d4 only took 6 out of 23000 asylum seekers. Fill the place with them please Minister, they want em- fill their boots.

Source: Newstalk https://share.google/cMVUnfD92J57kiGvF

An entirely unserious contribution to the debate. ‘Can’t we just magic away the people I don’t like?’

That being said, I partly agree - a not-insignificant minority of anti-immigration protesters are people I would want nothing to do with.

But what about the 80% of people who said in a Sunday Independent poll that ‘the government is not doing enough to tackle immigration’? Does the poster advocate deporting them all?

The pro-immigration crowd in Ireland are intent on zooming in on the tiny minority of xenophobes so as to ignore the vastly larger cohort of reasonable people with rational concerns. You can’t debate these people. You just have to talk over their heads.

What a load of nonsense.

It would almost just make you laugh at the absurdity of it all.

This gentleman has come here from Somalia and just wants to get his free room, food, energy usage and a bit of pocket money from the Irish taxpayer. It would be so terribly unfortunate if the fact that he is a sex offender were to jeopardise that!

Again, it's like the negative aspects of these government policies are seen as a bit of an inconvenience or unfortunate problem that we just have to ignore to get on with it.

Yeah, maybe the guy thought it was fine to go into a doctors waiting room and start jackin' it but we really really really want him to live here in Ireland so let's just look the other way eh?

The obvious question should be what is this man bringing to the table that's so good we can't just say "nah, application denied" and deport him immediately?

That's what I'm not getting. What's the benefit to Ireland there?

Says a lot .