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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,222 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Can't say I'm too afraid of the prospect of "becoming like United" on the back of potentially our first managerial sacking in 11 years. Should we just never sack anyone ever again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,539 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    I think any new manager coming from Europe might struggle in the PL given the absolute state of the football been played at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    This is my concern.

    How will Alonso/Enrique/Inzaghi do when thrown into the Premier League meat grinder?

    It's why I see some merit in appointing someone with experience of it if Slot does go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭jones


    The problem with Slot is two fold. We're playing terrible football but worse still we're losing playing terrible football. If we were winning i doubt we'd be hearing too much about the style.

    Imo he needs to go in the summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Yeh the problem is there is no clear successor, except I would say Alonso. Alonso is certainly not the same package as Klopp was, but he is probably the closest we have available. In addition he would have the fans backing from the get go. Not that fans will automatically think he's great, but there will be a strong sentimentality there. This is a major plus if he is going to be successful, but can also be a hindrance if he is underperforming (similar to Ole at united).

    I honestly think if I was Slot, and secured CL football, and won a PL the year before, and no new contract offered I'd consider walking. Like he could easily enough sign a 3 or 4 year deal with a pretty good side somewhere else imo. Most non-Liverpool fans and clubs don't look at him the same way Liverpool fans do. Why take a chance at getting the sack in 6 months, and a miniscule payout, vs signing up for multi-year millions somewhere else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Let's be real, Alonso was ousted at Madrid because the management chose the players over the coach. Simple as, everything else is just noise.

    Whether that deeply affected his confidence, or will impact his future ability is yet to be seen. I think Madrid completely f*cked up Mourinho for example and he was never the same again. Hopefully Alonso is young enough and the stint was short enough that he will adapt and overcome the chaos of Real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,905 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Lens are a point behind, they'd go top if they win the game. It's not like PSG against some bottom half team or PSG playing 2nd place when already 10 points clear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    If we park his time at Real Madrid completely, what is it about him as a coach that suggests he will do well in the Premier League? How do you think he would do with this current crop of Liverpool players and will his style of play get the fans onboard and excited?

    These are the questions everyone should be asking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,539 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Ali out for longer than we expected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Not sure about that, anytime I hear "Ali out" anymore I typically expect it to be a lot longer that we are initially led to believe. This will be the third season straight where the number 2 keeper plays more than 20 game (all comps of course).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    No need to park his time really, because most will feel he was hard done by, but in any case, any manager who can win in Germany with a non-Bayern team is already at a pretty high level imo. That was Klopp's main accomplishment too remember.

    For style of play, I think Alonso will be more adaptable than people are giving him credit for. He played at Liverpool, he knows the history, and has a strong relationship with the club. The style of play we pursued when he was a player was one of the better styles we've had since the 80s. I'm not saying he will change wholescale, but he certainly will be well aware of what the fans want to see, and I'm sure it will at least inform his strategy to some extent.

    Finally I think he will have enough of the fans on board from the get go, and there will be huge excitement around his appointment. He will get a fair amount of grace, which if he is even half decent, should give him enough time to implement a winning strategy imo. More than almost any other manager the fans will want him to succeed. He has a sure shot at becoming a legend for the club as player and manager, which is a rare combo, only the likes of King Kenny have achieved before.

    Overall though on a personal level, I still think it is a big hill for him to climb, but I certainly would like him to have a shot at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,905 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    He had posted a few weeks ago so I don't think this is surprising



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    I think it’s a lot to do with the middle tier / lower tier teams being set up better against the top teams. The people who say Slot deliberately plays slow boring football must watch very little football. We certainly did go through a phase earlier in the season after some bad defeats in a row when our defence was all over the shop, that we switched to a much more conservative game plan. But that was only for 3 or 4 games, it ended after the first Arsenal game, but people harp on about it, as if we’re still constantly doing tippy tappy for 90 minutes

    We still of course (like others) have struggled to break down very well organised defences, and the performances against Forest and Brighton were very poor, but it’s not because we’re not trying to play higher tempo attacking football. It just hasn’t been happening for our creative players. Giving away an array of needless stupid goals has been a heavy chain we’ve had to carry too.

    Apart from Ali, news has been relatively good on the injury front. If we can keep all those fit for the run-in, no reason we can’t have a good end to the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭FernandoTorres


    Slot saying in the press conference that our biggest problem this season is the amount of games we've had to play. He really doesn't help himself with this rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    The problem Slot has is he's lost a lot of the fans and it's going to be very difficult to win them back.

    Plus I can see us exiting both cup competitions in this round then at best scraping across the line for Champions League football. So if he is here at the start of next season the pressure will be so intense that any missteps will be a cause for crisis.

    A fresh start is probably good for everyone and Alonso is the obvious choice and I'd like to see what he can do to be fair. But I have my reservations his style is a good fit for the Premier League.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    I think we’d have to seriously consider going all-in on wingbacks if we got Alonso. It’s a formation that clearly suited Wirtz and Frimpong at Leverkusen. It would probably suit Bradley and Kerkez very well. Two of Grav/Mac/Dom behind Wirtz, with Isak and Eki as a front 2 (very like the old Roy Evans formation, for those old enough to remember, when Macca had the free role that Wirtz would have).

    We would need another top class CB to supplement what we have, but otherwise its ready to go. Of course United have given that formation a really bad name (mainly because they seemed to overlook that proper wing backs is a key component)!

    If Alonso wasnt available I dont think Slot would be under any pressure from FSG, even if we didnt get 5th. But Alonso being available, and no doubt willing, is probably a one-time chance for FSG. We’ve invested so heavily in Wirtz, and while there’s a long of list of great foreign players who had mediocre first seasons in the PL and went on to be brilliant, teaming Alonso up with him again might make FSG think it gives a greater chance of success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    As a fan I certainly believe that there has been a bunch of misfortune that has gone Slot's way, which wasn't necessarily his fault. In addition I think a fair amount of blame can be placed on the players themselves.

    He has though made a fair few mis-steps. Imo the close out of last season with the celebrations etc. before the end was indicative of his complacency which would come to haunt him this season. In addition his lack of leadership and man management this season has become apparent. Sometimes a manager can go for years before their faults come to the fore, but sometimes things just don't work out, and as you said I don't think the fans will be able to come back around to him easily.

    If I was to envisage a happy medium for everyone, Slot can secure CL football, still garners international respect for winning the league, and walks, heads to manage the dutch national team, or somewhere in Germany etc. Alonso comes in, and the fans overall can be thankful and not vitriolic to Slot. in future this season would all be forgotten about really and his reputation can be rebuilt.

    If they do allow him to continue next season, and it's more of the same, and a poor start, and he then gets sacked imo his reputation would suffer a lot more, and he'll end up like Rodgers, a journeyman manager who'll never get a chance at the top level again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Some excerpts from the James Pearce article on The Athletic.

    FSG does not want to rip things up and start again this summer. Senior club figures have distanced themselves from suggestions that Slot is effectively on trial between now and the end of the season. They insist that no specific targets have been set to secure his job.

    For all the speculation linking Xabi Alonso with Liverpool, internally they believe that those rumours are based on false assumptions, such as the idea that the Spaniard, who has been out of work since parting company with Real Madrid in January, was their first pick before they turned to Slot.

    FSG intends to stick to the plan but the reality is that resolve will be tested by what happens on the field in the coming weeks. If Liverpool kick on, the debate over Slot’s future will ease. If they wilt and Anfield turns mutinous, there will be a clamour for change that will be hard to ignore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Because the other teams have a system and are somewhat effective with it. Some of them even win games. Slot has nothing and starting from a position as Champions, has regressed significantly. Even if we somehow manage to score, we have no control. The one thing Slot claims to have is control, when he clearly has none.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭Libertine07


    Pearce and Ornstein reported two years ago about Liverpool's interest in Alonso and confirmed that contact was made. The only reason it didn't go any further was because Alonso chose to stay at Leverkusen.

    They're just trying to play down the rumour now because we've got a massive set of games ahead of us. I have no idea if he would still be their first choice, but they can't deny that he was very highly rated by them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭robwen


    Translation

    I didn't suffer any new injury. I'm in the treatment phase, and the plan is to be in full playing condition by end of April!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    That's fair enough but the criteria to be successful in the Premier League has probably shifted since Liverpool were assessing their options to replace Klopp.

    The decision to target technical players last summer looks like a mistake given the way the league is now more direct and physical. So believing that Alonso will be able to extract the best from Wirtz, is largely irrelevant if he's never going to be good enough to dominate the Premier League anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,855 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Chicken and egg there, should we not judge whether Wirtz is like under a manager who will get more from him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I think you're missing my point!

    We shouldn't be building the team around a slight, technical player. The league is about power, pace and direct running. It's Szobozlai who should be the focal point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭mormank


    No. Hard disagree! I've seen us give up far too many chances to break over the course of the season in favour of slowing down and keeping possession to be gaslit now into believing something completely different to reality. We constantly play like we are 3-0 until we go a goal down and then we see what we are actually capable of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,855 ✭✭✭✭noodler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭ozzy78


    100%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    It’s usually up to the top teams to lead the league in tactics and strategies, and with that in mind I’m sure Liverpool management are comfortable enough in their choices. The league has been disrupted this year, but wouldn’t be surprised if things turn around again. Wirtz, Eketike and Isak have the potential to tear the league apart for the next few years imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I don't know, if you're a mid-table premier league team, are you looking at how Liverpool have performed this season and thinking that's the way we need to play!

    If the referee's actually start implementing the rules from set pieces then we could see a shift but there is no sign of that happening just yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Hopefully the new rules for the world cup around time wasting come into force correctly in the PL but it seems the man handling prior to the corner kick actually being kicked was not deemed an issue.

    The hiding that PL teams got this round in the CL might change minds with regards to technical Vs power way of playing. But I think it needs refs getting very pedantic about trips and diving to change the outlook towards technical. Stopping the bullying of the ref by half the team (new rule to only allow captain) might change things but it will take time.



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