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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭amacca


    That will play into the orange retards hands if it comes to pass

    I'd early be in favour of cutting off my nose to spite my face to try snd hasten neutering or even getting rid of the cretin and have someone with just a teeny tiny little bit more processing power up above call the shots



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Why don't the European countries not simply speak to Iran and arrange their own passage, similar to China?

    They aren't at war with them, they haven't attacked them, so why do they need military force to reopen anything, just break from the Pedos and do a deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I wouldn't consider europe to be a friendly to Iran, like China or other Asian countries. Iran is heavily sanctioned by the EU. The Strait has become the epicentre of this war, let too many ships through and Iran lose their leverage for the globe to pressure the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Profit taking happening over the last hour. There was a definite spike a half an hour before he spoke last night. It will be telling if there is another insider spike between 8.30 and 9 tonight. Basically that will confirm action over the weekend, followed by another descalation post by Trump on Monday. He and his cronies are raking it in.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    And acknowledge that the Iranians have veto power over trade between the European nations and the gulf states?

    90% of Iran’s oil goes to China. It is in Iran’s interest to allow Chinese traffic, it is hardly a “deal” that the Chinese needed to push hard to broker if Iran wants money. On the other hand, what benefit is it to Iran to allow countries to send their tankers to Kuwait, Iraq or UAE unless they wish to use it to assert a position of dominance or at least significant influence? Iran would want something in return for that permission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭goldsparkle


    I came across a video online and some people think 911 was an inside job.

    Basically in the late 90s, America wanted to set up bases in the middle east but they knew it wouldn't go down well. The government had a report commissioned and it was released in 2000 and basically saying expanding into the middle east and setting up surveillance in America, it would be easier if there was a Pearl Harbour event. The year after in 2001, 911 happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Maybe not a good idea to give them reason to use it's veto power in the first place.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    Bin Laden had already targeted the WTC in 1996 I think, his later attack was just on a new level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    This. Will the resolution to open the strait include the authorisation of military force against the US, since the continuation of their illegal aggression is what's causing it to be closed? (some sarcasm involved here but not a lot)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What are you talking about forgive and excuse?
    There is important context around these events that you need to consider instead of the 'ah sure they're all as bad as each other'

    I never excused Hamas's killing of civilians on October 7. I questioned the numbers of civilians they did kill, and I also questioned the narrative that it was a senseless bloodthirsty raid that was used to justify genocide against them.

    The dehumanising of palestinians is one of the consequences of the narrative created after October 7, so its important to tell the truth about what happened on that day. It was not just a vicious attack unprovoked attack on Israeli citizens.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The idea that the Strait can be 'bombed' into being opened and then kept open seems absolutely insane. What ships would want to pass through a war zone and at risk of being sunk at any moment? Iran is literally a couple of miles away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    After putting hundreds of sanctions on them and labelling them as terrorists for decades ?

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran



    USS Stark and USS Samuel B Roberts will give an indication of the risk of doing so. That didn’t stop the escort of tankers into a zone of conflict which saw nearly 300 attacks on civilian tankers over the course of the conflict.

    I am unconvinced that the various European powers, the Gulf States, or the flag nations of the ships in question ever did so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Trump hates liberal democracies and their leaders as much as he loves tariffs and half the country voted for him. Twice. He’s much more careful when talking about Xi, Putin and MBS. His kind of people.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The idea seems totally nuts. If certain countries try to force open the Strait with warships and Iran are responding by bombing the Strait from all sides, that is a very active war zone and incredibly dangerous for any civilian vessels to try and navigate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Fair point. I'd say Iran trusts no nobody at this point. They have all fcuked them over down the centuries. China the exception perhaps.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Following the attack on civilian infrastructure bridge which was partly destroyed today in Iran, they have labelled bridges in the middle east as legitimate targets and asked civilians to keep away from them.

    bridges.jpg

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Was that at the behest of the Americans though?

    Maybe it's time for a rethink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Many sanctions were cancelled when Iran signed up to the nuclear deal (JCPOA). But the US (Trump) pulled out of the deal in 2018 and reimposed heavy sanctions. Iran will not trust any negotiations or deals with the US. And rightly so.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    In case you haven't noticed, they do have Veto power.

    Or do you think its only the Americans who have the ability to do Naval blockades like you're doing in Cuba?

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭tarvis


    How very handy that the USA does its bombing as far away as possible from the USA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    He’s a maniac. Surrender and become a puppet or you’ll have nothing left. So what extermination? Leader of the “free world”. He’s a cancer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭combat14


    "The biggest bridge in Iran comes tumbling down, never to be used again — Much more to follow! IT IS TIME FOR IRAN TO MAKE A DEAL BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE, AND THERE IS NOTHING LEFT OF WHAT STILL COULD BECOME A GREAT COUNTRY" President Trump, USA

    markets closing for Easter soon.. at this rate irans infrastructure doesnt have long left...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    A failed businessman, and former reality television show host who is a rapist and pedophile, is elected twice as president of the USA. A man who has built a personality cult that would make Central Asian dictators blush. Someone who engages in illegal wars and makes threats against sovereign states via a social media platform he created because Twitter wasn't bigoted enough. Someone who uncritically, even by American standards, backs Israeli's current crazed expansionist, genocidal behaviour.

    If humanity actually makes it past the next century or two, it would be amazing to see how all of this is looked back upon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's dangerous now for civvie shipping, even though Iran has said that the passage is clear for all but vessels from Israel and America and their proxies. The trouble is insurance companies aren't willing to cover the risks, so shipping companies are holding off in case someone gets trigger happy. At present there's a massive traffic jam at the mouth of the strait.

    It would be all hilarious if it hadn't tragic consequences. We're being told by the cretins that started this stupid war that what a victory looks like is opening the strait that was already open before the war started. This admin is responsible for some remarkably dumb things, but that one is taking the biscuit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    He "negotiates" like Doctor Evil.

    I'm not trying to be funny or belittle what's going on - it's horrific and incredibly serious, but he's basically behaving exactly like a caricature of a Bond villain.

    He doesn't even have the redeeming features of Doctor Evil, which were very few, but he was at least vaguely human at the back of it.

    I'm not trying to make light of it, the whole thing is quite frightening. He's not behaving like anything remotely sane or normal. It's all like a performance aiming to go viral on social media or some imagined reality TV show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's why I have raised eyebrows at those who say there is no need to even bother with diplomacy with Iran and just try and force open the Strait with warships. 'Warships' = war and bombing and ships being sunk.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I'm not convinced that's the case. And apparently, neither are UAE, who are rather invested in the outcome of events, otherwise they wouldn't trying to put together a coalition of folks to do it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Best to bomb them back to the stone age then I guess. If you are willing to kill for trump and his gang of pedo psychopaths I hope you are also willing to die for them



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