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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Not a hope Slot will get a contract extension. FSG should be delighted he has only one year left tbh as it'll cost them small enough money to sack him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Damien360


    But it's not small money if you include potential loss of CL football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I'm just taking about if they sack him, not the financial implications of missing CL qualification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭robwen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Has Slot "clearly lost the fans"? I'm not sure it's that far yet.

    From everything I've read, Alonso's style of play is even more controlled than Slot, with an even slower build up. Is that what we want or is that likely to work in the Premier League as it is?

    I have my doubts that Slot can solve all of the issues we currently have, that's why I'm open to replacing him if the right candidate is available. I just have my doubts Alonso is that and we shouldn't be appointing a manager on sentiment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Damien360


    He has lost the fans. Online is online and you can take lots of that with a pinch of salt. But it's all forums and not just here. But home games fans booing the team and audibly moaning at some play. That's where it matters.

    As for not knowing if Alonso would be any better. Well he can't be any worse. The danger is we miss the boat especially if we miss CL qualification. That will limit the field of choice in terms of managers and players also. We saw that a long time ago with players and some of the dross that arrived and I don't want to see that return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I think his relationship with the fans is on the precipice but it hasn't become toxic just yet.

    This thing of Alonso can't be any worse is a fallacy, yes he can. He can potentially be much worse. Look at what's happened at Spurs since replacing Ange!

    I don't think they will replace Slot before the end of the season and if he gets champions league he won't be replaced at all. And I assume if they do replace Slot then they will be looking at a manager who's tactics fit with the makeup of the current squad and Alonso is not that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Alonso's record at Leverkusen stands for itself. Much has been made of his failure at Real. But it was player power that shifted him on. His record was 24 wins, 4 draws, 6 losses. If we give Slot his due for last season and look at this season with the new squad, it's 14 wins, 7 draws, 10 losses....so far and I think it's going to get worse as I can't see form changing.

    I get what your saying, that his approach is slow build and you believe it's not a match to the squad. I don't think Slot is a match to the squad and he picked it ! We won't get CL given form currently but I agree with you as I think Slot will survive to next season regardless... unfortunately.

    It is going to be a horrible few weeks in here given the games upcoming. Even a win will be a seen as a false dawn.

    The league is a the most important goal right now. Hard to believe I typed that as we fight/tumble forward to hopefully get 5th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,144 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    "Can't be worse" is totally the wrong approach to take though… A manager's for life (or a few years) not just for Christmas.

    It's a big decision with lengthy consequences, so you really want to be sure you're getting the best choice possible rather than just 'anyone else'.

    Alonso's definitely a good manager, but this is one of those times you just have to accept that the lads with all the stats and knowledge will have a better sense of how he'd fit into the team, and into the league. Slot, however it's turning out, was obviously the absolute perfect candidate to take over from Klopp at the time, and very few (any?) of us would've even thought of him when Klopp announced he was burned out.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭Libertine07


    It's an interesting point about Slot being the perfect candidate at the time. If you could go back in time two years and offer us a manager who wins the league in his first season and then bombs in his second, I'm sure we'd all have taken that happily. Maybe Slot will ultimately be a transitional manager for us, even though he won a title.

    However for the next hire we really need some consistency. Ideally someone who has been tested in one of the top three leagues in Europe and who has shown an ability to deal with challenges.

    I think it was one of the Redmen contributors that said Slot is a great peace time prime minister but he doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a war time prime minister. I'm inclined to agree. He can achieve amazing things when the conditions are right, but he doesn't seem to be great at dealing with adversity or coming up with creative solutions to problems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Great legs tho. Even better at putting the cones out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭Charlie19


    Certainty don't want to go the same route as Utd, Chelsea and Spurs sacking managers for fun.

    The club has always gave managers time and I hope it's no different this time around.

    This manager is having his 1st go at rebuilding a team and imo deserves at least another transfer window to fix things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,144 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Part of the issue each of those clubs have had is from making mid-season changes, so in not making a summer change we risk following that route. If Slot stays, and doesn't start next season well, the pressure will become very high very fast. If there's any chance at all that we might sack him in, say, October, then we'd be better off just making the change in the summer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Damien360


    This is the issue. If the club are committed to one more transfer window with Slot and we replicate the current form into next season, then that season is a right off also.

    Or do we call this new squad 2.0 and that needs time ? How much money and time does he need after spending an absolute arm and a leg to fix this ? Will a new manager be hamstrung financially ? Is it the squad or really the manager and therefore no amount of money will fix this.

    I'm not a fan of Slot at all. Too many excuses and they start before a ball is kicked. I don't believe he is a fit for the club. Recent managers from the Dutch league have been poor across PL clubs. I don't think as a league it's a good recruitment ground.

    I would like the club to have ambition and not just an also-ran. We appear to have the financial muscle but are heading towards hopefuls rather than possible contender n the yearly race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭giveitholly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Number one choice - Alonso

    Number two choice - Inzaghi

    I am aware both like the 3-5-2 system which might prove difficult in PL. Alonso first due to no language issues and club history. Other than that, it's a toss of a coin between the two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I know he probably doesn't have the personality or track record for it but Iraola looks a really good fit in terms of what fans want from the playing style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    What would define a successful Dutch manager? Winning the league maybe….?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Making the assumption that Alonso is rigidly wedded to 3-5-2 only is wrong headed. It worked for his team at Leverkusen, but he didn't use it at Sociedad, and he mostly alternated between 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 at Real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    What defines any manager - the ability to coach a team to improve performance and cohesion, the ability to define a plan and have the players execute it, the ability to watch a game, observe strengths and weaknesses and respond accordingly and most importantly the ability to get buy in from fans and players.

    Winning a game or winning a trophy are deliverables you would hope they can meet but they're not part of the definition of a manager.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Yes, this is why Alonso only lasted a few months at Real Madrid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Strange (and frankly stupid) dig at a Liverpool legend.

    Alonso had a record of 24 wins, four draws and six defeats at Real. A win rate of 70.6 percent. Nothing to be particularly embarrassed about.

    In contrast, Liverpool have 14 wins, 7 draws, and 10 losses this season under Slot this season. A win rate of 45.16%. shoddy.

    By all accounts, Alonso did have a problem with some players (e.g. Mbappe, Vinicius - divas) because he wanted them to work hard in training, particularly on learning different formations and patterns of play. By God could Liverpool use that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    It was just tongue in cheek.

    However, I don't think Alonso gets a completely free pass for his time at Real Madrid. I've read that fans really disliked the slow and boring football. Sound familiar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Given that every team in the Premier league is playing slow boring football, there's not much that can be done about that but a win rate of 70.6% would have us at 66 points and in 2nd place. I'd take that any day over the turgid rubbish we've had foisted on us only to continually see a championship winning team snatch defeat from the Jaws of mediocrity.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,906 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Hi win rate in La Liga was better than his overall. He took 42 points from 54 in the 18 league games he managed which would be 77% of points and 72% win rate (3 were draws)

    Taking 77% points from a full PL season would be more than 88pts

    BUT….La Liga is no PL, half full of absolutely crap teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I don't think you can transpose his win rate at Real Madrid to Liverpool in the Premier League.

    Aside from Barca and Atletico, the competitiveness of La Liga is nowhere near the Premier League. Let's be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Yes, let's be fair, which is the point: no need to rubbish Alonso for his time at Madrid.

    He was trying to work in new systems and patterns with the famously diva Real squad, who seemingly didn't want to work in training.

    His methods were hugely successful in Leverkusen, where he achieved unprecedented and historical success.

    Your position on Slot is very flip floppy from what I have seen in any event - he should stay, he shouldn't stay - it's not clear.

    I don't really care to be honest, but it's is clear you don't want Alonso to replace Slot. Fine, but you don't need to rubbish his record as manager, which is commendable from any perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,855 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    So PSG got that Lens game postponed for a month.

    Whatever about the impact on us, what an absolute travesty for the French league. How the **** do PSG need more help from the league against Lens?

    Edit: Apologies for being so late to tbis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    No that's incorrect.

    My opinion is that Slot is unlikely to turn this around and I'm open to replacing him in the summer.

    My gut feeling is that FSG will not replace him in the summer and persist with him next season.

    I think Alonso plays a style of football that Slot has been heavily criticized for this year. Slow, controlled, passive. Any new appointment should be assessed critically and not just given a free pass because he used to play for us. He's had one standout season in management, there are question marks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭brevity


    If every team is playing slow boring football, why is Slot being singled out for playing slow boring football?



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