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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭JMcL


    "Working as a part time cook in Dublin" - bet she hasn't been taking the 1 hour 45 public transport option (to Pearse St. then whatever to whereever in Dublin)

    It's not clear what period the 13 convictions span - she was done for a hit and run in 2021, but seems to have gotten away with just a fine for that which really says it all. Not sure how much effect the 5 year ban is going to have given she's been ignoring the existing 3 year one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    A €1k fine is no deterrent either, a previous disqualified driver wouldn't get annual insurance for that amount so the fines needs to be a multiple of what actual insurance would cost.

    It's the same with all the drivers caught with no motor tax and it years out of date, the fine needs to be a multiple of what the tax would have cost between the intervening time not a token fine and on your way.

    The one positive with ANPR and all the uninsured drivers being reduced with cars impounded (they had something like 2k over one bank holiday weekend a few months back I think) is that my car insurance reduced this year. Can only presume that was the reason as all other details remained unchanged and insurance companies use any excuse to jack up premiums.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭standardg60


    The amount of nonsense put forward in mitigation there is staggering. She's a widow because her husband died, she has five children (she's 66 ffs, what age are they?), her 93 yr old brother just happened to be unwell, and she 'works' in a creche for 170 quid a week, which is 12 hours work at most. As mentioned already, was she driving to collect the grandkids from school?

    If this was a male, they'd be in jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭p15574


    Judge should have asked her how she gets to work



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,107 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Melanie Finn: How our treacherous school run reached a new low when my son was nearly knocked down

    With some parents, any sense of caution appears to be abandoned, with a cavalier attitude towards the daily drop-and-dash. The normal rules of the road appear to go out the window and road rage is, well, all the rage. Indo or alt link



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    A leading story currently on the Irish Times & Independent websites is about a serious collision on Abbey Street in Dublin and while there are no details, both stories show a cement mixer lorry cordoned off close to shielded area. Hopefully whoever is involved will be ok.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,928 ✭✭✭✭average_runner




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭deandean


    It's always a bloody truck.

    And readymix trucks have an appaling kill rate of cyclists. Off the top of my head I remember one around the back of James' hospital, and one around Charlemont.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Brazilian student (27) killed in collision with cement truck in Dublin had only been in Ireland for three weeks | Irish Independent

    Why in the name of god is there a need to put a single sentence paragraph in the report stating "Mr Santos was on an electric bike when he was involved in Wednesday’s incident".

    The language used in these reports is just sickening. Anything to fuel the fire and generate more bait for the media.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Presumably, the Indo are trying to suggest it was his fault for being on one of them horrid ebikes

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i see zero issue with them reporting that. it's stating the vehicle he was using. standard reportage, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    I'm with Magic here. Most anti cycling raving d*ckheads will automatically assume the bike is at fault especially if there is an e before it.

    Just stating the vehicle is standard. The indo don't need to suggest anything - peoples assumptions will do the rest on their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Is it me or are Brazilians over represented in cyclists serious collision/deaths in Dublin?

    Maybe they are greatly overrepresented in the commuting cyclist community?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,355 ✭✭✭beggars_bush




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Truth be told, I'd said to my wife before his identity was released that I wouldn't be surprised if the victim was Brazilian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,923 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    My wife's comment yesterday was that it was probably a deliveroo rider, based on the location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭Breezer


    I’m going to speak in very general terms here because none of us know the circumstances of this particular collision where a person has died.

    I’m sure people from Brazil are no more inherently collision-prone than people from anywhere else.

    Quite a number of people from Brazil do come here with limited English at first and limited work opportunities on their language-student visa. Like many of the rest of us they need to try afford substandard rental housing with sky high prices. They work for a delivery company that pays them a pittance versus the profit the company makes, which encourages them to try complete deliveries as quickly as possible so as to get paid for more deliveries per hour or whatever. They also have to dodge local teenage scrotes who sometimes like to attack them. All of this leads to riskier behaviour on the bike.

    People then give out about delivery cyclists, Brazilians or whatever, which is victim blaming (I know that’s not what people are doing here on this thread). But if the likes of Deliveroo disappeared tomorrow or upped its prices because it had to pay its riders properly to operate at a safer speed, I’m willing to bet a lot of those same people would be very unhappy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    there was a program on RTE yesterday (I think it was a repeat) which featured the business on Moore St that rent "eBikes" to newly arrived Brazilian delivery riders. The business is Brazilian-run which is good to see, but the bikes themselves are cobbled together and completely outside eBike regulations, as anyone who has been passed by one in town doing 50km/h while not peddling will know. I've no idea if this guy was on one of these bikes, or if it contributed to the accident but more than one thing can be true at a time:

    • heavy trucks in the city should have sensors and cameras covering their blind spots and side curtains to stop humans going under the wheels
    • regardless of this, going up the inside of a truck or bus where there's any possibility it might turn left is a really bad idea
    • the delivery riders could do their jobs on legal eBikes - the delivery companies should be required to take responsibility, but also the guards should visit the guys renting the bikes out and remind them of the regulations.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i have a memory of reading a report that the deliveroo riders complained that the gardai paid no heed when the riders reported harrassment or assault, etc.; i think that was around the time of thiago cortes death in a hit and run, or the george bento murder trial, so that was admittedly five years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    He was a cyclist. He was killed in a collision with a truck. The exact type of bike he was riding is way down the list of relevant pieces of information needed for a report like this.

    Maybe I’m overly cynical for thinking that highlighting the involvement of an e-bike is simply to add to the pool of “those e-bikes are lethal” outrage. Could just as easily slipped it into any other sentence if they felt the need.

    Do we get details of cars involved in RTAs? Modified Civic. 2 Litre petrol Golf. Electric car with auto drive functionality?

    It’s a one way street when it comes to reporting RTAs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Why bother mentioning it was a cement truck so? Or even a truck?

    It's just standard reporting. The report contains details the reporter has to hand and can use.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Probably because it highlights the additional dangers posed by these larger vehicles in a congested urban environment when sharing road space with cyclists and other road users.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    But the purpose of the piece is to report on a death and provide details about the circumstances.

    It's not to highlight additional dangers.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    But the vehicles and their associated hazards involved in the collision are part of the circumstances. Surely part of reporting on a tragedy such as this is to be cognisant of the hazards and learn from them to reduce likelihood of repetition. For example, if a driver involved in a fatal car crash had been prosecuted other serious road accidents, would you consider that worth reporting.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i think we're in agreement. i wasn't saying that the fact it was a cement truck, should not be reported. i think it should.

    my point was that Paddigol suggests that reporting that the victim was on an e-bike was unnecessary (and 'sickening') to report; i was doing a reductio ad absurdum on it by suggesting by the same token, we could start peeling away other details too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    the amount of people with real profiles on facebook, grannies etc., who seem to be glad the youngfella died is pretty sickening to see. "i hope the truck driver is ok", is nearly half the comments on one of the articles. just shows that people on bikes aren't seen as human by a lot of people, and brazlians on e-bikes are regarded even lower it seems.



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