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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,737 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Plus it is glossed over or forgotten that Osama Bin Laden justification for attacking America was - American interference in the Middle East bases etc. But George W. spun it has not just the “war on terror” but they “hate freedom”.
    Personally I think it comes down to American belief in its own exceptionalism. Or as I like to call it eras where they are “up themselves”. American will still be like this in 100 years until it gets subverted by another global superpower. Then it will start all over again. Just the names will change. The Middle East will always be a basket case of geopolitical alliances.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Summary of Trump's speech this morning

    We destroyed everything they have. They have nothing left. Therefore, we need to hit them very hard for the next 2-3 weeks. Because they don’t have anything left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Very ironic.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    I love how all these European leaders are coming out warning about the damage this war will do to our economy whilst simultaneously allowing the US use our lands for the logistics to support this war.

    I'm sure we'd all take a few poxy tariffs ahead of a depression and inflation crisis all at once. Only now starting to condemn Israeli military actions too.

    Cut the fcukers off. No more transit through Europe. America will find it more difficult and expensive to maintain the war and Israel is stopped in its tracks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    I'm sure theres a few schools they haven't hit yet. Scum



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This os the most dangerous logic of all, to assume that an order must have been carefully thought through by the higher ups, therefore it is legitimate and practical.

    Use your own head. There is no adult in charge, there is no plan, there are no objectives other than to react to the whims of a deranged leadership.

    If the US military was actually run by sensible clever people, they would have mutinied against Hegseth and Trump already

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    The Americans aren't hitting Iran to try to make it a democracy. Theyre hitting it to try to make it American/western friendly. They want a regime in charge that will leave Israel alone and just concentrate on themselves internally. They don't care if that is a democratic process or not. Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houtis are all Iranian dependent. Without Iran they're going to have to find different backers for their campaigns.

    They don't care a white for democratic process going forward, just a friendly regime basically in summary. There's no guarantee after this war that they will achieve that, in fact it's unlikely now. So they will crow about achieving regime change, but it may well be more of the same, but just set back a bit. The Russians and Chinese will be only be too willing to help Iran get back on their feet and the Iranians know this well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Kamal Kharazi who is heading Pakistani led indirect discussions with JD Vance has been seriously injured and his wife killed in a missile attack at his home in Tehran this morning.

    kharrazi.jpg

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I dont think Trump is western-friendly. I think its about the oil. He said he wants the oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah, these kids should be in school where they'll be safe

    • “Israeli airstrike on UN school in Gaza kills dozens”
    • “Israeli strike on Gaza school shelter kills at least 22”
    • “Israeli strike hits school sheltering displaced people, killing mostly children”
    • “Airstrikes on two Gaza schools kill at least 30”
    • “Israeli strike on Gaza City school kills several sheltering civilians”
    • “Al-Tabaeen school strike kills 80+ in Gaza City” (Aug 2024)
    • “Khadija school airstrike kills 30+ displaced Palestinians” (Jul 2024)
    • “Al-Awda UN school bombing kills 31+” (Jul 2024)
    • “Al-Sardi UN school strike kills 30+ in refugee camp” (Jun 2024)
    • “Fahmi al-Jarjawi school strike kills dozens including children” (May 2025)
    • “Israeli school strikes magnify civilian peril in Gaza”
    • “Over 200 educational facilities hit in Gaza war”
    • UN and NGOs report hundreds of schools and all Gaza universities damaged or destroyed during the war.
    • “U.S. strike on girls’ school kills large number of children ”
    • “Israeli strike hits Iranian girls’ school in Minab, dozens–hundreds reported dead”
    • “Airstrike reported on Iranian girls’ school at start of U.S.–Israel offensive”
    • “Israel strikes military-linked Tehran university facilities”
    • “Israeli strike hits refugee camp in Lebanon, killing children”

    BTW, of course I condemn Iran using child soldiers to patrol their streets. The Iranian regime are BAD domestically, they have been horrific to their own people and should be overthrown

    However, waging war from the outside only makes the regime MORE repressive internally and makes any chance of an uprising to replace them with a better government much more difficult and dangerous - and if they do collapse, the following civil war will be extremely bloody and also likely to result in an extremist takeover or collapse of the state

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I appreciate the reply Manic.
    If you think it's not mental, that it isn't actually batshít crazy rather than just a touch ambitious?
    Then of course that's your prerogative and you are a pro, you know the system..

    That said, flying large transports carrying troops, bulldozers and everything else needed?
    Into central Iran, assuming Isfahan is where the HEU is?
    Against a still operating Air Defence that is taking down Reapers and other reconnaissance assets at a fair clip.
    That from the video and other info released by the Iranians is also relying on Electro Optical guidance, making it nigh on immune to Compass Call suppression?
    That also ignores or at the very least assumes survivability against the likely number of MANPADS too.
    Meaning those large, low and slow planes become fairly easy targets unable to manoeuvre.

    Using the SeaBees experience of bulldozing strips in the Jungle or the Army's experience of creating FOA in Europe, is somewhat valid.
    It is of course possible to create a strip inside 2 days.
    The madness intrudes when you aim to do so against an entrenched defence.
    1 around Isfahan that has huge numbers of troops, artillery, independent SAMs that don't rely on radar.
    The likelihood that any ground force would be hammered from the start by FPV drones, as would equipment and any aircraft they can reach.
    Dropping a raid force 600km inside of Iran to assault their likely most heavily defended asset.
    In an area that as I pointed out in my speculative post a couple of days ago, is swarming with both IRGC and regular army units.
    With Iranian special forces too, aswell as however many Basij would be thrown into the fight to resist?
    Is IMHO, absolute lunacy.
    It may well be that it is a plan drafted at the direct order of POTUS and one that the JCS would be loath to carry out.
    But, just the fact it was presented at all?
    Rather than a short explanation around the stupidity of just the premise of why it's a bad idea?
    Speaks volumes IMHO.

    The plan (all plans) are based on myriad assumptions but in this particular instance?
    The plan assumes that America can do as it pleases and the enemy will be restrained from interference by, most likely a belief by the planners that air dominance will afford them the means to impose their plan, tactics and timetable upon the enemy.

    That's one hell of an assumption to make in the face of Ukrainian battlefield experience.
    Bring all the jammers you like, won't make a difference to a fibre optic controlled drone.
    The Iranians could and likely do have a lot of shared training with Russia at this point.
    Their infantry can stay in bunkers directing Drones, whilst US special forces try to protect the dozers.
    Or maybe US planners think that their plan is too good and their soldiers too smart to be taken apart like Russia's VDV at Hostomel?

    Then to assume that the landed force can
    1. Land a sufficient force to control both the airstrip and assault a heavily defended and likely underground target for 48-72hrs.
    2. Can rely on Air Superiority to offset the defenders advantages in numbers, equipment and local knowledge.
    4. Reach and penetrate the HEU location.
    5. Secure the HEU.
    6. Exfiltrate from the location with HEU(This is a critical step as it's not just 440kg of HEU. It's also the weight of their storage and transport system).
    7. That the HEU can then be loaded and exfiltrate from the forward airstrip and taken out of Iran.
    Really?
    Do you see the US shaping the battlefield to this extent some 600km inside Iran?

    Audacity in battle is vital to success in War.
    Alexander, Napoleon and Lee are all great examples of that.
    It's great when you're winning.
    When it goes wrong however?
    Battles and indeed wars are quickly lost.
    Only one of those Generals I named were undefeated, the others?
    For all their audacity, lost the biggest battles of their careers, then their war, then their country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Let me guess...an Israeli strike? They have previous when it comes to attacking negotiators.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    There was confirmation at a UN meeting that it was Israel. When western leaders did not immediately blame Hezbollah, their stalling meant it was Israel but now we have moved from 99.9% to 100%.

    Jakarta (ANTARA) - Indonesia's UN envoy Umar Hadi called for a swift, thorough and transparent United Nations investigation into an Israeli attack in southern Lebanon that killed three Indonesian peacekeepers serving with UNIFIL in late March 2026.

    Jakarta also urged the UN Security Council to closely monitor the probe and act decisively on its findings, demanding legal accountability for perpetrators and rejecting any immunity in attacks targeting peacekeeping personnel.

    Speaking at a UN Security Council meeting on the Middle East on Tuesday, Umar strongly condemned what he described as attacks on UNIFIL troops on March 29 and 30.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,627 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I think the war would have not happened to begin with if the US knew the fail rate of their defense systems would be that high. It's estimated that somewhere between 85- 90 percent of the Iranian missiles are intercepted. That still is causing economic hardship as we see, but at 50 percent the damage would be economically and politically unsustainable almost immediately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Trump gives a 19 minute TV address and then the global markets tank even further. What was even the point of the speech and who was it aimed at?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,627 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I agree. Each side is responsible for their own actions in war regardless of who started what. If a double standard exists then it's on both sides, because you have pro Israelis who justify war crimes in Gaza on the basis Hamas started it and made Israel do it. It's tone deaf to proclaim Israel to be a democracy while justifying the committal of various war crimes at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    TDLR channel asks if Europe could kick out US bases. Mentions Spain and Italy not allowing use of their bases in this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Absolutely no surprises whatsoever that Ollie would end up as a…lol…"military advisor" on an entertainment channel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Murdering diplomats, peace brokers or envoys while they are engaged in negotiations is a war crime known as Perfidy

    Its the treacherous deceitful crime of showing the world that you can not be trusted as an honest actor

    It is considered a war crime because it is intended to lengthen the conflict and sabbotage any attempts at a peaceful resolution.

    Iran has said they will blow up US and Israeli allied commercial business interests in response to these assasinations

    The companies they have selected are all known to participate in the US military industrial complex or be strongly linked to the Trump administration, or provide critical services to protect American and Israeli military assets that can be used to facilitate the war against Iran, and so they are arguably legitimate targets in this war, although with the US, militarism is so intertwined with everything in their economy, the kid with their lemonade stand is probably making parts for US bombers on the side

    1) Apple
    Trumps buddy 'Tim Apple'

    2) Google (Alphabet)
    Google Project Nimbus, Israel’s government cloud programmes establishment, including the Defence Ministry/IDF context.

    3) Microsoft
    U.S.: Microsoft is directly inside the U.S. defence cloud stack through JWCC, the Pentagon’s multi-vendor cloud contract vehicle. Israel: Microsoft publicly confirmed it provided technology services in Israel and later said it disabled certain services to a unit within the Israel Ministry of Defence after an internal review.

    4) Meta
    U.S.: Meta has explicitly said Llama is available to U.S. government agencies and defence contractors, and that U.S. military/intelligence organizations are using it. Also involved in Project Nimbus

    5) IBM
    U.S.: IBM openly markets defence and intelligence solutions and now sells an IBM Defence Model for military decision support. Israel: IBM has a major research presence in Israel

    6) Intel
    U.S.: Intel is directly tied to the U.S. defence industrial base through the DoD’s RAMP-C microelectronics program.

    7) Nvidia
    Nvidia operates a substantial AI research presence in Tel Aviv and are heavily involved in producing chips for AI that are almost certainly used in weapons, intelligence, and weapons control systems

    8) Oracle
    U.S.: Oracle has a direct U.S. defence cloud role, including DoD/IC-authorized cloud environments, participation in JWCC, and recent U.S. Air Force Cloud One work. Israel: Oracle Israel actively markets “Defence Alliances” cloud solutions; public reporting also points to heavily hardened Oracle cloud infrastructure in Jerusalem serving Israeli government/security customers.

    9) Cisco
    U.S.: Cisco is a major U.S. federal networking/security supplier. Israel: Multiple public reports say Cisco has supplied servers and communications systems to the Israeli Ministry of Defence and military, including a 2017 major server deal and subsequent MoD purchases during the Gaza war period.

    10) HP
    HP’s Israeli subsidiary historically won contracts tied to the Israeli Navy’s IT infrastructure and other military/government systems

    11) Dell
    Israel: public watchdog/procurement reporting says Dell won an Israeli Ministry of Defence server tender in 2023 and later participated in “IT for IDF” events

    12) Boeing
    They build fighter jets and lots of other weapons systems

    13) General Electric / GE Aerospace
    They build engines for military aircraft

    14) Palantir
    Evil company aimed at the complete destruction of democracy through mass surveillance and automated killing systems

    15) Tesla
    Musk

    16) JPMorgan Chase
    U.S.: JPMorgan is not a defence manufacturer, but it has an explicit Aerospace, Defence and Government Services banking practice and provides financing/treasury solutions to defence-sector firms.

    17) Spire Solutions
    These are a big cyber security firm and it is likely that Iran are targeting them due to their links to American CyberSecurity industry and in anticipation of the increase in the importance of cyber warfare

    18) G42
    G42 is also a founding partner in Stargate UAE, unveiled during President Trump’s Gulf visit in May 2025. The project, in partnership with OpenAI, Oracle, Nvidia and Cisco, will build a 5-gigawatt UAE-US AI campus in Abu Dhabi – the largest outside the US. For Israel: G42’s 2021 joint venture with Rafael Advanced Defence Systems through Presight.AI.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Probably Israel again, the last thing that awful country wants is peace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    That was only a matter of time. They tried revolt in 2011 only to be crushed by Saudi led intervention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    If the argument is "It is used by the military, therefore it's a legitimate target", then that's a very dangerous argument. Militaries need food. They need water. They use electricity. Are the Iranian (or anyone else's) agricultural systems legitimate military targets? Is the Iranian water infrastructure a legitimate military target? Is the Iranian electrical system a legitimate military target?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Everyone is responsible for the decisions they make but there are also different levels of responsibility

    Lets say North Korea decide to go insane and launch a nuke at Washington DC in an unprovoked attack.

    We all know targeting civillians is a war crime, but if America retaliated by blowing up Pyongyang, Hamhung, Chongjin, Nampo, Wonsan, Sinuiju, Kaesong, Rason, Pyongsong, and Kimchaek, would you be on here saying that both sides are responsible only for their own actions? No, the side who started the war, is responsible for the consequences of that war even if we still expect the other side to show restraint and not target civilians.

    In war, the reason War of Aggression is considered the supreme crime, is because starting a war is so incredibly dangerous and reckless that you are responsible for the outcome, even if it spirals completely out of control and unleashes a completely unhinged response, you still bear some of the responsibility for starting it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Which is all fine, as long as it applies equally across the board. So that Hamas take the repossibility for the destruction of Gaza caused by the conflict they started, for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,878 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    no, not under International Humanitarian Law/Geneva Convention

    The legal bar for attacks on 'dual-use' facilities (civilians and military) is a lot higher and the main factor is whether these facilities are indispensible to civilians - if so, destroying them fails to meet the bar of legality for their destruction to achieve military objectives as the damage is disproportionate to civilians.

    The bar for attacking private companies is also high, you can't be targetted just for funding (i.e. tax dollars) a war effort. It comes down to whether you are producing military equipement or vital communication means etc. It still has to follow proportionality and minimise civilian harm - but it's absolutely different to the likes of food/water/power targets because those are indispensable to civilians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭tarvis


    And did Israel launch that targeted missile? Surely Mr Vance would not want the person who is willing to negotiate to be removed from the scene?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    The list given above included financial services coompanies, for example. Armies use money. But the financial system is pretty indespensible to civilians I would have thought. Is the financial system, and the companies enabling it, legitimate targets?

    Is there a definition of "indispensable to civilians". I can get why food and water would be. But the logistics around food distribution are also indispensable. That includes the fuel supply system, I would have thought, for example. What are the limits here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel may have normalised collective punishment but it's still a breach of IHL.

    Law Library | International humanitarian law | Applied to the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

    Article 55 of the Fourth Convention requires the Occupying Power, to the fullest extent of the means available to it, “to ensure food and medical supplies to the population.  It should, in particular, bring the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate”.

    Common Article 33 provides that collective punishment is a war crime.  Collective punishment is a penalty imposed on a group for acts allegedly carried out by members of the group and applies to international and non-– international armed conflicts.  

    Contrary to its duty under Article 55, the act of Israel in cutting off water, electricity, food, and fuel to the population of Gaza punishes the entire population of Gaza for the acts of Hamas – is a collective punishment – as the objective of the siege is that of destroying Hamas.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,878 ✭✭✭✭8-10



    Yes there is, Geneva Convention Additional Protocol I (1977), Article 54, section 2:

    It is prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as foodstuffs, agricultural areas for the production of foodstuffs, crops, livestock, drinking water installations and supplies and irrigation works, for the specific purpose of denying them for their sustenance value to the civilian population or to the adverse Party, whatever the motive, whether in order to starve out civilians, to cause them to move away, or for any other motive.



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