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Random EV Thoughts 2 - The Jimnying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Article on how the grid can't cope.

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2026/0331/1565868-rural-ireland-electric-cars-electricity-grid-infrastructure/

    In particular it mentions

    "For instance, a typical pole-mounted transformer serving six homes has a 15 kW capacity. While sufficient for kettles (3 kW) or showers (7 kW) used briefly, it is ill-equipped for modern technologies.". I have never heard this claim before. Already chargers have built in low voltage detection so will stop charging if supply is struggling. The grant should also identify which exact homes have EV chargers. The grant requires home chargers are somewhat smart, and there is talk of briefly delaying EV charging for a few minutes if the grid is struggling. Smart electricity meters also report detailed usage so most of the data should exist to identify problem areas..

    I see this as an easily or already solved problem even if it exists. Priority could be given for pole mounted transformers on areas where the transformer supplies 2+ EV chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    And this.

    "An EV charger requires 7.3 kW sustained for approximately seven hours."

    Nobody needs seven hours of 7.3 kW charging every day unless they are driving hundreds of km per day.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    That is a fair comment, an overnight EV charge will take that length of time for a lot of current battery sizes, whether every night or not is irrelevant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    It is relevant as it says if multiple houses sharing the one pole transformer all charge at full power at the same time for 7 hours then the transformer will overheat.

    For starters the chargers would likely stop due to low voltage, and the real world likelihood of this bring a real problem is low. Presumably the transformer has safety cut outs, If the reality is only one or two houses charging for a couple of hours this is probably not a real problem. Basic updates to chargers to say reduce charging rate if voltage dips would reduce the load in these situations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,575 ✭✭✭creedp




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    At least you can co-ordinate that within the household. Not so easy across different households connected to the same transformer. But there's a paper linked from that RTE article, and its conclusion seems to be that the answer in the short term anyway will be with "smart" EV chargers that are able to co-ordinate or be controlled to some extent by the grid. Upgrading transformers to 33kVA seems to be happening as well.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    My response was to say charging for 7hrs is required, I was disagreeing with the statement "nobody needs seven hours of 7.3 kW charging every day".

    i.e. sufficient power is required at all times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,761 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    We have 3 EVs and 20kwh of storage. I'd saw I'm drawing 12-15kW (ie peak 12kva) for multiple hours each night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    With 2 EV chargers at your own home you can easily load share across them, only one really needs to have the load sharing. You can set it up to take as much as possible, to give one car priority at full power second car the rest, or you can slow granny charge the second car. Its easy to set up and typically both cars are not going to be totally flat and need a full charge the same night. Nearly every charger being installed these days has load sensing feature already active.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,575 ✭✭✭creedp


    I keep things very ‘analogue’ and don’t worry about automatic load sharing especially since my zappi went kaput. I have a cheap 7.4kwh ev charger that’s plugged into a commando plug and also use a granny charger. Basically when both need to be used together ( they are both powered from same 7kwh supply) I manually set the ev charger to 20amp which also allows me to run the granny charger at same time. I then don’t have to worry about anything and just plug both cars in with timers set for the 9 hour night rate.

    I might reappraise my set up again if I replace the zappi with a load balancing charger.



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