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Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2026 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    At €2000 a fill it won’t be oil for the moment thanks 😂😩



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Even at that price, oil and a cheap timer for the immersion to heat it on an EV rate and exporting is still better than getting an eddi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I’m interested in this point of view.
    I am going to get solar installed and as part of my quote that I posted earlier in this thread, it includes an eddi diverts for hot water.
    I want to have as low a gas bill as possible and from mid April to mid October the only thing the gas is on for is to heat the water for the 5 of us in the house.
    My thinking is that if I can use the solar to heat the water plus that will keep my gas bill down to standing charge only from mid April to mid October.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Folks, is there much of a difference between panels?
    The quote I have is for 450w Ja panels monocrystaline.
    From google that means that they are 20-25% better in low light than poly crystalline panels?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭MicktheMan


    That's all good and well (if not the most economic way) but have you considered that it is rarely a good idea to leave a mechanical device such as your gas boiler idle for months on end. You might find that when you fire up your boiler for the winter after a long layoff, you start to get issues with pump/valve seizures especially as the boiler ages.

    Same goes for an oil boiler system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    That’s probably a fair point but hopefully in the future we would be looking at getting a heat pump (if the house was suitable to do so) installed to go 100% electric and max out the batteries and solar panels etc.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Flogas is 8c, sse is 9c per kWh of gas, and assume maybe a 70% efficiency for heating water. possibly costing you 12c/kWh inc losses etc.

    if you used the eddi, for every kWh you would replace 12c of gas, but if you export it you get 18-25 depending on who your with, Then you still have to pay for the eddi, which is €3-400? I'd argue the eddi costs you money.

    your going to be paying the standing charge anyway, might as well use it!

    If you went down the road of a heatpump, Still use the heatpump, not the eddi.

    As for panels i think all the large panels are mono now, They are all good, theres not really any "bad panels" about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Ok get ya.
    I’m with EI, so if I stayed with them and exported I’d get 19c per kWh at all times during the day I think isn’t it?
    So whenever I have excess at any time of the day my inverter could be setup to export anything up to 5KW at a time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 JohnnySolar


    Thanks



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The inverter limit is that it can output 5kW AC be that exported or used by the house



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Yes sorry I meant 5kW total.
    So if the house is using 0 watts I can export the full 5kWh which is completely unrealistic but just so I have it right in my head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭djan


    You can export all of your solar production at any time up to the inverter limit.

    Can use grid to consume power and export at same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So just to confirm, the 5kW limit from the inverter is purely in relation to the solar my PV panels will be generating?

    I can be exporting a full 5kW to the grid but still be drawing 7kW for example (kettle, oven, hob, electric shower all on at same time)?

    My maths being 230V, PF=1, 32A



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    You can't import and export at the same time.

    The inverter 5kW limit is what it can input or output on the AC.

    If shower, kettle oven hob etc is using 10kW

    The solar/battery could supply 5kW of that and 5 kW will come from the grid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭djan


    My apologies I was doing something else while replying and wrote it wrong. At the same time was meant more figuratively not actuall being able to do what you describe.

    Although it is technically possible for a set up to do that and it would be highly beneficial in many cases but the standard installation will route solar production to household and then export/battery the excess.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Unless there is a second meter, it is not possible to do. But then one meter will always import and the other meter always export, a battery would never "power" the house.

    On one meter, the house always gets power first from solar or batteries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    What happens in island mode when an initial surge to start a kettle or something requires more than 5kw

    I’m not sure of the model of my Solis but it’s capable of and is set to exporting 6kw,it’s usually doing a max of 5.8 or 5.9

    Does that mean it can cope with a surge of up to 6kw ?

    Does it cut power briefly if there’s a surge above that in island mode?

    I’ll be testing it later today with grid power off



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Inverter cuts out. And stays in an error state for a fixed time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,135 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    5kwh battery will be useless with a HP , ideally youd want 25kwh+ to load shift especially in the winter (to a cheaper electricity rate)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Looks like I won’t be getting Solar anytime soon based on a visit I had with a boards recommended solar company.
    The guy I spoke to was very genuine clearly very knowledgeable but reckoned I’d be wasting my time because of the former taking up a lot of the roof on the south side.
    He reckons I’d only get 3 panels on the roof on the south side and that installing the panels on the dormer would be asking for trouble.

    Needless to say I’m quite disappointed tbh.

    I’ve a steel tech shed down the back that I plan on building a lean to on, which may lend itself to installing panels on but I’m not sure at this stage.
    The guy reckoned I’d need at least 12 450w panels to make it worthwhile anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭rx8


    Don't be too disappointed. Other unscrupulous installers would have just quoted you and installed a system that was totally unsuitable to your needs.

    You know who to call now when you get sorted with the lean-to build.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    Have you somewhere south facing for a ground mount?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Yeah 100% this.
    Fair play to him being honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    The back garden is south facing but are there planning restrictions on the size of a ground mount you can put in?
    What size are 450w panels? 189x100cm?
    So if I needed 12 that would be a pretty big ground mount



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    no planning restrictions for a typical domestic or larger even

    I’ve 26 520 watt panels in my ground mount (13 pairs)

    Use 500 watt minimum and preferably bi facial,so they’re taking in a little solar for the underside aswell

    The panels would be 1 above the other ie in pairs so only 6 across in a 12 panel ground mount Use

    But put in 7 pairs or 8 if you have room

    The more the merrier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭idc


    I think there are in fact rules for ground mount, as far as I recall less than 25m2 and height can't be above 2m. Outside of those 2 conditions you need planning permission.

    Pretty sure there were also rules something to do with being close to an airport!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭djan


    Out of interest why not other sides of roof? Looking into an install ourselves and will only fit 4-7 out of up to 19 panels on south side and well worthile for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Nice4daddy


    Yes this is also my understanding. I have a 12 panel installation (5.88kWp) which is just under the 25m2 limit as I didn't want the hassle and expense of obtaining planning permisssion to go larger.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Nice4daddy


    Extract from Cavan County Council Planning Department's website. Local councils would need to be contacted to obtain permission in other counties of Ireland if wanting larger than 25m2.

    Ground-mounted solar panels in County Cavan, as in the rest of Ireland, are considered exempted development (no planning permission required) only if they adhere to specific strict regulations updated in 2022. If these conditions are not met, you must apply to Cavan County Council for permission. 

    Solar Panels Cavan +11. When Planning Permission is NOT Required (Exempted)Ground-mounted panels are exempt for residential houses if they meet all the following criteria: 

    • Location: Must be located within the curtilage (garden/yard) of the house. They cannot be placed between the front of the house and the public road.
    • Area: The total footprint of the solar array does not exceed 25 square metres.
    • Height: The height of the panels (including mounting structures) does not exceed 2 metres above ground level.
    • Boundaries: The panels must be at least 2 metres from any property boundary.

    2. When Planning Permission IS RequiredYou will need to submit a planning application to Cavan County Council if:

    • The ground-mounted system is larger than 25 m² or higher than 2 metres.
    • The installation is on a protected structure or within an Architectural Conservation Area (ACA).


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