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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Warning in Post #8023**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    An absolutely wild idea is treating Iran like a trading partner, on an equal footing. Not a colony that the west has to extract all the resources from without the people getting an improvement in living standards.

    Maybe if the west wasn't trying to shift them at every turn for the last 70 years, they wouldn't be against us in return. If we (the West) were happy for them to sell the oil with the profits going to Iran rather than our iol companies, the whole middle east could be very different. I haven't seen much profit from the western oil Companies, have any of you?

    There's another scenario where we bought oil from the middle east, it became wealthy because it has something we want to buy (probably wealthier than us) and they were pretty happy with the situation and didn't want to disrupt it much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You haven't seen any profit directly, but the fact you can find affordable mangos and pineapples in your local shops its because we have plentiful and cheap transport and energy mostly because of them. Even basic stuff like wheat being so cheap and plentiful is due to artificial fertiliser that was made possible by the gas and oil industry.

    I know its fashionable to hate them now, but the truth is we would be starving and freezing without their stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yes, I get that. We can afford our current lifestyle because oil is at the current price. If it were cheaper things would be better and if it were more expensive things would be harder.

    But You avoided the point. Why am I supposed to care if the profits go to the western oil Companies or just stay with Iran?

    More to the point, why am I supposed to support the western oil companies profiting instead of Iran? It's fine if you haven't thought about it before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,073 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    These countries dont dislike the west because of money only.

    Religion is mostly the reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Does 'most controversial' on boards.ie apply or just the real world?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Because you can't have a hostile country holding the west by its balls. I gave plenty of thought to this, I know about the time arabs caused an oil crisis, that's why everyone in the west should support the military actions that will put their oil in western control. It's our living standards at stake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think we're pretry hostile towards them and they're hostile towards us. We've attacked and invaded them plenty of times. Not sure when was the last time they invaded us... they supply arms to groups opposed to us, we supply arms to groups opposed to them. I don’t think we can make an argument were the good guys.

    I thinknit comes down to the same fundamental point that most conflicts do, we want their stuff and we don't want to pay them for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    You want to kill Muslims so you can have nice things?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't think that's necessarily the case. It's more that we want to control their government so they sell the oil to our oil companies rather than selling the oil themselves and keeping the profits. Killing their people is just a means to the end of getting control of their governments.

    I don't put any store in arguments about democracy or human rights. We're sound with Saudi Arabia and they don't have democracy or strong human rights. Let's agree not to pretend it's anything to do with democracy or human rights.

    We Want our oil companies to get the profits, not the countries who own the oil. I'm pretty sure we're bad guys when the history of the period is told. Not the only bad guys, but definitely bad guys.

    I think the idea of treating Iran like an equal trading partner, who has something we want to buy, is unthinkable to most people because of the propaganda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,073 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Do you think if Iran was getting all the profits from the oil they sell they would stop funding terrorists all over the world?

    Also, are big Western oil companies really in iran making a fortune out of oil? I always assumed not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    A huge factor in certain countries disliking the West in the middle east is military interventions that have often ended up to the detriment of the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,073 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I don't want them in charge of our oil supply, we will be dead without oil, it's not just the nice things, it's also heating, food and medicine who depend on oil and gas. So I don't really care what it takes as long as it's being done. And that's your opinion too, you are just too terrified to admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Hard to tell if they'd stop funding terrorism. I doubt we intend to stop funding terrorism so I don't suppose they will either.

    I think the dynamic had been set up now sobits hard to change it. We were mates with Iran until they decided they wanted to own their resources. That's what made them bad to begin with and that's why we needed to control their government for them. It didn't work out long-term but that was the plan.

    I don't think our oil companies do much business in Iran. Isn't that why we sanction the shyte out of them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    But its not really our oil, its their oil we use. Now more than ever we should be investing more into renewables, so the need to rely so heavily on something countries are willing to go to war over is less and less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    But you're not willing to consider treating them as an equal trade partner.

    You don't care what it takes, just not normal trade relations where both parties gain?

    They do own the oil and they do want to sell it and we want to buy it. It strikes me that there's a perfectly normal solution where they sell it and we buy it and we both prosper. The problem comes where we want to take their oil without paying them. That usually leads to problems wherever it happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The main person who has endangered global oil supplies is an orange who has pursued an awfully planned war. Looking back, under Obama there was a far more stable relationship developing with Iran. Now Trump is attempting to reintroduce the deal he tore up in term one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    We absolutely need to invest in renewables and also classic predictable energy sources like nuclear. That doesn't change the fact that for some things oil or gas is not replaceable.

    It's their oil so we need to make them an offer they can't refuse. Welcome to the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Actually the orange clown just made it clear for everyone to see that the world's oil supply is being controlled by islamist savages and fekin pirates. This needs to change asap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    So give is what we want or we'll bomb you to oblivion?! And their being called the hostile ones!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Well as I've said, as long as we have what we need I don't care who's right - take this as my controversial opinion of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Youre half right. We're Trying to pirate their oil but we're not islamists. We might be savages so you might be two thirds right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You can say what you want, it's what you do that matters: every time you put fuel in your car you also pay for the bombs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Ultimately, the standard of living in the "West" is going to have to drop somewhat in order for the developing world to raise theirs. It may take centuries but it's unsustainable for about a fifth of the world (the Western world) to own three quarters of the world's wealth and furthermore, for 95% of global wealth to be held by an elite 1% (and don't kid yourself, if you're posting here, it's almost a certainty you're part of the top 2 or 3 percent)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I'm not so sure we need to drop our standard of living to allow others to develop theirs - that somehow implies that it's us holding them back. It's not. They can do modern industry and agriculture, just like we did, with the added advantage of having the knowledge readily available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think it is about time that Meath is fully annexed into Dublin. Call it “the Dublin plains county council”. Anyone who wishes to remain in this new greater Dublin will be considered honorary Dubs. Anyone who refuse to do so will be forced into the building trade thus alleviating Dublin’s housing problem.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    A few centuries of colonial plundering certainly counts as "us" (i.e. the Western World rather than specifically us Irish ) holding them back.

    You seem fine with using force to preserve your standard of living and I have no doubt we'll eventually see the developing world, which has a substantially larger (and arguably far less softened by modern western standards of living) population using force to take their fair share of global wealth. The technological advantages we have at present will only last so long and as the west struggles to maintain it's population growth, the old adage of "quantity has a quality of it's own" will kick in.

    I'm not saying I necessarily see this happening in my lifetime but it seems logically inevitable to me that at some point the majority will refuse to be dominated by the minority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Nope, it's not us the west who kept them from developing. Even when we took stuff from them, we left them better than we found them, and in some cases that was actually kind of bad, we gave them longer lives with our medicine and now they starve because they are now too many and still incapable of doing modern agriculture. But that's not our fault.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Diddly Squat


    Im kinda glad ireland didnt qualify for the world cup, I was dreading the media coverage for the next few months and the inevitable "greatest fans in the world" sh1te youd hear from everyone

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