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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They know they will never be held accountable for anything. International law is broken. The UN is ignored. The power of the ICC/ICJ is broken and arrest warrants are meaningless.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @fuascailteoir

    They would also have to give cast iron guarantees to stop funding their proxies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    LPG LNG imports from gulf were even smaller for Europe (15%) than oil (18%) and coincidentally enough there are some fairly large terminals opening in Canada and US gulf cost in coming months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @fergiesfolly

    Have you seen the Iranian equivalent ? Good looking guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Who knows. What i do know is that US and Israel assassinated the one guy who prevented them developing nuclear weapons and if they did develop one, for sure no one would attack them again.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Who knows. What i do know is that US and Israel assassinated the one guy who prevented them developing nuclear weapons and if they did develop one, for sure no one would attack them again.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @brickster69

    Lets be fair about this, its not as if they completely stopped working on the project, the infrastructure and the technology. It was only the last piece that was missing. Give me a logical reason for 60% enriched uranium for civilian usage.

    “For sure no one will attack them again” that is a double edge sword as its easy to then say to their neighbours to do as we say or else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm not so sure - they are rapidly moving into pariah state territory. There's talk that the next PM of Israel will be worse than Netanyahu and even more right wing. Difficult to see how they can keep moving in this horrible trajectory and not be viewed as a lunatic / extremist state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    But what institution or country will stop them? With complete US support, they are completely unaccountable. A terrorist nation. For example another terrorist state Iran were the most sanctioned country in the world and they destroyed the economy and currency of Iran, driving millions of people into poverty. But when Israel commit a genocide or annex foreign lands, nothing. Double standards in the morally bereft west. Because they have nuclear weapons, they can do what they like - that's the lesson to other countries. Israel have set the tone for the new age of might and terror. Some of the posters that defended their actions have disappeared.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's not an easy question to answer. But they are moving so far to the right and to aggressive war mongering, war crimes and human rights violations that it will soon be impossible for the EU and others to deny they are out of control and cannot be reined back in. It looks like the next Israeli government will be even more radical and extreme than this one. Something will have to give here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    All the evidence points this way for sure. But I hope justice prevails at some point.

    Wishful thinking I know but it would be tragic if Israel were let off with crimes similar to what the Nazis committed 80 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    They aren't being viewed in that way though. Look at the constant defense of their actions by both politicians and the media, people are literally being criminalised for supporting Palestine in Western countries now. At this stage I honestly think they could set up gas chambers and start gassing Palestinians using Zyklon-B and there would be ample defense of it, with some feeble excuses of this 'not being the same thing'. And to top it all off it would probably be illegal in many Western countries to compare it to the Holocaust.

    The Usual Suspects is one of my all time favourite films, for anyone who knows it that line from Kevin Spacey's character "the greatest trick the Devil pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" always rings in my head when thinking about what Israel gets away with. Except in this case it's 'the greatest trick the Devil pulled was convincing the world he is not evil'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's a good debate - both you and @Cluedo Monopoly are raising well corroborated points.

    Israel are still playing international soccer and are still in Eurovision. There doesn't appear to be anyone in authority actually causing them any pain as punishment for the havoc they have wrought and the misery they have perpetrated on tens of thousands of innocents.

    Iran does it and gets bombed to bits. Israel - free pass.

    However, after the dust settles (?) Israelis themselves will have to consider their next moves. Many have already left Israel, never to return. Economically, they are in dire straits and their warmongering is costing a fortune. For a population of circa 10 million, if they call up another 400,000 reservists, that's a chunk of working age people. There have been reports of IDF suicides and many with PTSD. Israel is damaging its youth - and that is Israel's future.

    They may very well annexe Gaza, cleanse all the Palestinians from the West Bank and East Jerusalem, annex more of both Lebanon and Syria. But then what? I can't see Israel being the #1 got to holiday hotspot or a country that many would want to move to.

    That Israel is being let do all of this is and will be a shameful chapter in world history. I'd imagine many Israelis are gutted their govt. has led their Nation to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If he does leave it to others to open the Straits, it is hard to see how this can be done militarily. Can they negotiate with Iran to let tankers through?

    What would Iran do if America withdrew unilaterally? Would there be any incentive for them to keep blocking the Straits, beyond sheer bloody-mindedness…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Honestly ignore it .. he forgets lots of european countries are proud slavs that doesnt mean they dont like the EU or support russia. What does an accent have to do with anything anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    They would not be sending thousands of soldiers to the region just as a negotiating tactic. They will be deployed soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    As long as they have US backing they are unstoppable and the dominant force in the region. The last few years have shown that. They can bomb and kill wherever and whoever they want and no one stops them. Even now the criticism from EU is very muted, I can only assume because of historical guilt, it's absolutely crazy at this stage



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,289 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The EU backed Trump from the start of this war. Even our Irish government backed him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Araghchi saying he had a line of communication with Witkoff but no negotiations occurring. Direct contradiction of what Witkoff is saying. There will be no surrender from Iran unless complete cessation of war. Israel ain't going to go for that.

    Also clear insider trading pushing the price of oil down today. Expect developments overnight.

    Will be surprised if US special forces aren't in position to eliminate defensive positions targeting Kharg from the mainland tonight/tomorrow ahead of the main assault at the weekend. They might get it, but they won't hold it.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    In the absence of any agreement, Iran could very well toll any passing marine traffic. Who's going to stop them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    In theory yes but one senses something has shifted since the unprovoked attacks on Iran and Lebanon (something that the regime couldn't blame on an October 7th type event). Even the western media are much more critical and are starting to talk openly of Israeli war crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,036 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Netanyahu says Israel will continue to 'crush Iran's terror regime'

    https://www.rte.ie/news/post/104890714

    But who will crush Israel's terror regime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭combat14


    apparently IDF plan to hit all essential targets in iran before passover



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    If irc at height of their Gaza butchery EU countries (incl. Ireland) tried to get the trade agreement suspended and forced an EU report to be done into whether Israel was breaking it (human rights/shared values bits).

    The EU institutions themselves confirmed there were breaches of that agreement in the way Israel behaved (and is still behaving) in Gaza.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2025/0620/1519437-eu-israel/

    However, not enough EU member states in the Council supported taking action.

    A lot of the trade decisions (like suspending all or part of that agreement) are qualified majority votes so I think if a few others who still always support Israel turn, we could see sanctions enacted. Maybe still unlikely, but not impossible any more IMO. Israel's behaviour hasn't changed, it is still getting worse (by metric of additional bigger wars started), they continue to have a blank cheque from the US govt. and can do as they like it seems.

    Another factor is I wonder if the shield Israel hides behind of countries not wanting to provoke American ire and draw the eye of Trump and the Republicans by upsetting their "pet" in the ME might fail somewhat. They are all having new heaps of shít dumped on them almost daily by the Trump admin. in any case, no matter how obsequious and careful they have tried to be. Hung for a sheep (and maybe gain popularity at home)?

    Netanyahu has utter contempt for Europe, seems like his govt.'s only real friends there now are the far right pro-Russia leaders (e.g. Viktor Orbán). IMO their govt. is constantly baiting even countries (e.g. Germany) who have backed them all the way so far and prevent sanctions being enacted (but who don't currently have kind of radical right wing "Trumpian" type leadership Israel's govt. seems to favour),

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Told yiz that months or more ago, was nearly crucified for it on the other thread. You have to be defeated to be held accountable, not a bit sign of that happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    DW reporting on YouTube that some members of Gulf Cooperation Council want war to continue including Saudi Arabia, and UAE. UAE said to want changes in Iran's government and supporting a land invasion.

    Also Iranian Parliament discussing introducing tolls in the Strait of Hormuz. Reports some ships have already been charged $2 million to be let through , and this is through a corridor between Keshm island and Larak island.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Neutrality is an awful price to pay for watching the **** that happened in Gaza. We send poor bastards over there to Lebanon with blue helmets to sit in bunkers hoping they aren't blown to smithereens by two sides that don't give a continental who they kill. What a crock the whole Palestine/Israeli/Lebanon/Syrian/Iranian situation is. Not a semblance of justice or human rights in any of them. Ruled by extremist religious bigoted dictators and elected warmongers.

    Yet we shout out from our neutrality on who's wrong or whose right while raging about Europe and the West doing nothing to stop this.

    What a crock of bull.



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