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How many of us think that unification is no longer a priority and don't really want unification ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I agree and I have said it before, I think a more likely outcome would be a United Republic of Scotland and Ulster over a United Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    You're more likely to get Scotland as an independent member of the EU.

    The nordy true believers don't even recognize the Kirk of Scotland as true Christian anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Rubbish. Ian Paisly described himself as an Ulsterman. Ulster is from the Island of ireland but still he wanted to be part of the UK. The UK flag encompasses St. Patricks Saltire, to represent Ireland. The Royal Irish regiment is part of the UK. Of course it is possible to be Irish and want to part of the UK. Those from Sicily may not, probably do not, want to be independent from the Italian mainland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Ive been hospitalized in the North and in the Republic in recent years. The difference was chalk and cheese. I am very dubious about any article that says Irelands health service is better than people think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Read the last two NI census.

    I posted about them earlier.

    It's all about national identity.

    Irish Only means what it means, your are Irish, not British and Irish, not Northern Irish and Irish, just Irish.

    They will be the largest demographic in the 2031 census and even larger by 2041.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You can be just Irish and get your unemployment, education, pension, healthcare etc while living in the UK. And wanting to stay in the UK.

    The % in N.I. wanting to join the 26 counties has not changed much in 100 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    One problem is that those most in favour of it aren’t willing to consider the worst case scenarios that might result because they feel that’s scaremongering. It’s not. It’s being serious about a huge change. The Children’s Hospital should give us some idea how far even a simple matter like putting up a building can go off the rails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    On the other hand I had a lot of hassle accessing the NHS when living in England, which I was entitled to do as a rate payer. Getting an appointment was proving so protracted that why I was back in Ireland for a holiday I rang my old GP, got a walk in for the next day and blood test results before I went back to England.

    My other half was working briefly in the NHS and also the HSE and they're take on it is demographics are overloading the UK systems whereas the likes of the primary care centres here do manage to keep a lot of locally treatable problems out of A&E.

    We're still going to get slammed as our society ages, but it does seem like there's a more proactive energy in Ireland about adapting to needs than you'll find in the UK where it can be difficult to talk about failings without being branded as anti NHS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Oh but it is, been able to afford housing and paying your weekly shopping bill is more important that Dragons, Unicorns and having romantic dreams. My identity and culture is 100% perfect as it is, we are a country at peace. The UK were terrible to Ireland in the past but thats history now, people need to move on and live in peace. Other than romantic notions what would someone from the Republic gain from a UI?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭SaxySaxSolo


    I would vote no in the republic purely for economic reasons, the public service in the north is so over bloated that any economic benefits from other areas would be hardly noticed. I think the north would be better off on its own as a independent country. It would have to cut out inefficiencies to keep afloat and both sides would have to work on their getting their own house in order in all aspects (economic, social, etc) rather then trying to offload that responsibility to the UK or Ireland.

    The worst scenario would if the north voted yes but the republic no. It would leave a lot of people in the north rethinking their identity / losing a large part of their reason for working and living in the north.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Fair enough but my experience has been the opposite. I am 2 years trying to find a GP in Ireland. In NI, after triage I got a bed on a ward almost instantly, versus in Ireland sleeping on a trolley in a corridor for 3 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Not sure what your agenda is re the health service here but you sure as hell have one.

    Can't be too sick if you haven't needed a GP for two years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    My agenda is the health service in this country is absolutely f**king ridiculous.

    I HAVE needed a GP for the last 2 years - thats why I am looking for one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    In emotive votes like this will be dragons and unicorns count for a lot.

    I'm very surprised people don't think it would pass in the south.

    To me it's guaranteed whenever it happens.

    I don't know how I'll vote but it will pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    You can be appointed a GP if you've had a three refusals I think. You'd have to look up the HSE website about that.

    Interestingly in my area we've had two GPs came back from the US in the last few years, both said they'd prefer their kids grow up without having to think about guns in school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I contacted a TD and asked for help. They said if I was on a medical card they were legally required to find a GP for me, but as I am a PAYE worker and not on a medical card it is a case of tough sh!t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    Was the last word from the TD?

    If so I'd follow up directly with the HSE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    From the HSE website:

    If you cannot find a GP in Ireland,

     

    the HSE Primary Care Reimbursement Service (PCRS) can assign you a GP if you hold a medical card or GP visit card and have been refused by at least three local doctors.

    But if you are a PAYE worker and earn "too much", you wont get a medical card or a GP visit card. So as I said, "tough sh!t".

    I'm not looking for free healthcare. Im at the:

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    stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    You are forgetting about Immigration.

    Especially Non-EU immigration. Which is only going up in NI.

    Whom all favour the UK state for being more 'diverse'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    @LambshankRedemption

    I don't know what to say really. I've never had a problem getting a GP in Ireland, and I've moved around a good bit. Are you in an area with few doctors?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    This thread is going nowhere. It will be like Germany, awareness of problems beforehand, a wave of enthusiasm at the actual time and a lot of whining and "I told you so" afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    This thread demonstrated one thing. Of the last four pages there have only been 2 or 3 posters who are sure a UI border poll would pass. I was a little nervous saying I didn't want it, expecting a ton of outrage and backlash. It turns out most people felt similar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Will that be big enough to counter the decline in British only identity and/or bolster the Northern Ireland Identity?

    I doubt it myself, the Irish only identity will overtake all and then it will be a matter of time for the UK government to be sure a referendum will pass.

    Already you have SF as the biggest party in all forms of government, MPs, MLAs and councilors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    On the other hand this discussion has happened here so many times, especially since Brexit that most know their position on the matter, so the issue isn't a current hot topic. I think the post Brexit customs alignment has removed the urgency that had been felt, and now with London realigning with Europe on some things it doesn't feel as pressing.

    With the customs alignment there's a lot of cross border business happening that has grown servicing both the EU and GB.

    Still though I think we may end without a UI because of the UK disintergrating under the English nationalism of some future Reform/Tory coalition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I genuinely fear what our own regime government would do to us in terms of taxation etc without the north as a bit of a counterbalance- the only way it would work is if we had an honest, efficient pro Irish citizen government here- which if you’ve been awake the past few years we most certainly do not have.

    There would be absolutely nothing to stop them from piling on more crippling carbon taxes and all kind of gouging crap like that - and they’d have the perfect excuse (not that they’d even need one) that we’d have to pay for unification



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    There's loads of thorny questions that have to be answered first including potential minefields like what about the unionists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Yes obviously.

    But the question of this thread is whether many want unification.

    I contend that when it comes to the referendum it will pass easily in the south.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Support for UI differs North and South. Up there it’s deep but not wide - many on one side already strongly support it. Down here it’s wide but not deep. For most it’s a nice to have extra that is occasionally considered. Given the unique gravity of the decision, supporters of UI will have to do more than sell the idea and win a political campaign. They must make sure that informed consent is obtained, that voters know the main potential hazards and what will have to be done if they arise. Otherwise we could be in for a messy divorce down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Easily known you are not married. Wait until that honeymoon period wears off and you see eachother in the light of day without make up or after a hangover....... then reality bites.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    The boarder with Northern Ireland has been a talking point for a 100 years because we have been conditioned like barking seal pups at the dinner table, in school and by politicians that a United Ireland is 18 months away at every Fianna Fail Ard Deis since Eamonn DeValera wore short pants. This conveniently helped us ignore problems like clerical abuse, financial cartels like banking, food cartels like the beef tribunal and Haugheyism. Shure you couldnt make the stuff up.

    The reality was Northern Ireland was a no go zone for most of the country. It has poor agriculture, not much mineral deposits, no manufacturing. Just British civil service jobs and a few film projects.



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